British Sprint Championships

[EddieH]

Well having run it - and great fun it was.

If this year is even repeatable the idea of giving British titles on the results of the qualifier alone would not be a good idea. The final was more than twice as good a venue for a good sprint race.

I know standards of events vary from year to year, and place to place, but surely the title should be won in the best available.

[RS]

Can anyone explain why the people who were disqualified in the heats have times on Winsplits for the controls they were supposed to have mispunched? Is it some sort of calculation of how long the programme thinks they would have taken? - that's all I can think of or is it proof that all those people who were adamant they'd not mispunched were correct

[distracted]

The former, I'd imagine...

[HOCOLITE]

I really enjoyed the final but all my pleasure was spoilt by that little bit of plastic, as it managed to record 22 controls and then go ~~~~~ up. I could read the display at the end but by the time I got to download no info on card at all. I did have a backup card and did have a large proportion of punches on it but not all. However even if I'd had them all there would not have been a finish time. So how does emit resolve this? Only my pride is hurt and my faith in emit, but if I'd been an FCC competitor or Brit Champs contender or even seeking selection this would have been a major catastrophy.

I see the British champs is using emit so I hope the organisers have some way of recording the finish time as I believe my card is not the only one to have failed recently.

[Adventure Racer]

They should at the very least be investigating the issue, as from what I could see it very definitely wasn't your fault it didn't work, Hoco.

RS - if you hover the cursor over the splits in question it tells you they're estimated (or for other splits the gap behind the leader, which is useful).

[RS]

Thank you, Adventure Racer

[NeilC]

They should at the very least be investigating the issue, as from what I could see it very definitely wasn't your fault it didn't work

But whose is it? If one's run is ruined because your shoes fall apart or a big bubble appears in your compass etc you may have an issue with the manufacturer but no one would expect the organisers to adjust the results in any way.

If you fall and smash your e-card, or even simply lose it, then you can't demonstrate that you have completed the course correctly and should be DSQed.

The issue with EMIT cards is tricky, they have batteries in and will at some point fail. If this happens mid-event and the memory is wiped I'm not sure that there is much that the organisers can do if the competitor does not have a full punch record. I noticed at the weekend that most of the elites were punching correctly whereas I generally just tap the card down, see the scrolling bars and carry on without obtaining a punch.

[andy]

I'm tempted to start an 'emit sucks' thread. but I'm too scared to

[Harley]

well it does ...

[Adventure Racer]

They should at the very least be investigating the issue, as from what I could see it very definitely wasn't your fault it didn't work

But whose is it? If one's run is ruined because your shoes fall apart or a big bubble appears in your compass etc you may have an issue with the manufacturer but no one would expect the organisers to adjust the results in any way.

Whoever was responsible for hiring it to her presumably.

[Angry Haggis]

I really enjoyed the final but all my pleasure was spoilt by that little bit of plastic, as it managed to record 22 controls and then go ~~~~~ up. I could read the display at the end but by the time I got to download no info on card at all. I did have a backup card and did have a large proportion of punches on it but not all. However even if I'd had them all there would not have been a finish time. So how does emit resolve this? Only my pride is hurt and my faith in emit, but if I'd been an FCC competitor or Brit Champs contender or even seeking selection this would have been a major catastrophy.

I see the British champs is using emit so I hope the organisers have some way of recording the finish time as I believe my card is not the only one to have failed recently.

Ah, I thought I was the only one. My (hired) EMIT card reset itself and wiped its memory on the way from 19-20 on the qualifiers. As I was checking the scrolling bars and control number indication on the screen to confirm a punch, rather than paper-punching, I was dsq'd with no right of appeal - indeed the system said I'd retired rather than dsq'd as I'd apparently missed so many.

At least my 40 second mistake on the way out of the forest got wiped along with the rest of the data.

[RS]

Go on Andy, be a devil

[Mrs H]

Ah you are all too high tech - the more technology the more there is to go wrong - I have a Version 2 card given to me by one of my daughters who seemed to acquire it for free at a PPJR.

Without the comfort/distraction of scrolling bars i'm a little more careful to get a back up punch - hence my re-instatement after apparently missing a control in the heats

If you had been using the back up you would not have got disqualified - it's that simple. I believe the Sarah Rollins won the Middle almost entirely on her back up card - that's what it's there for! So if a fail safe system is in place and you have chosen not to use it then it's pretty obvious whose responsibility it is. - not the person providing the card but the person using it.

[Gnitworp]

Yes, but can you get a finish time if your battery fails?

[Homer]

[If you had been using the back up you would not have got disqualified - it's that simple.

But what if you didn't have a back-up card because the organisers didn't give you one?
I sent Marg to collect the EMIT cards and she was told by the official that they didn't have enough back-up cards to go round and that she didn't need one anyway. Luckily all our cards worked without the need for back-up, but I was ready to argue my case if any of us had been DSQed.