Hathersage & Burbage National Event

[Tatty]

I know that Supersaint ran a cross-country type race round the three day event cross country course at Bramham Park where the JK Relays were. Loads of fences etc for putting controls on!! It was called a horseless horse trial!!

[rocky]

shortly a video news report of the shi's will appear here. the shi's benefitted from sponsorship, sponsors expect something in return for their efforts. a run in would have given the ideal pocation to film orienteers and banners in the background would have given the sponsors exposure. as it was, our cameraman had nowhere to go film so spent the morning babysitting in the team bus. as such there will be very little footage of an otherwise excellant event!

[UncleDickie]

Interseting that some people thought the planning was great. I thought the M21E course was rubbish and I'm going to have a go at justifying that statement:

1. The first thing I learned about planning was not to have people going in and out of controls the same way - this happened several times on Sunday.
2. M21E went the opposite way to many of the other courses at the south western end of the map, which meant that lots of poeple were coming out of controls towards us - same effect as above.
3. I couldn't read the detail on the 1:15000 map (I'm only 31 years old, it can't have just been me).
4. Control circles hid important information - e.g. the trig point near #4. The three adjacent circles in the quarry area hid most of the detail in that section of the map - that WAS a joke.
5. Bingo controls on the moor?
6. No long route choice legs?
7. Legs where one could see the control feature from some distance away.

Go on, shoot me down. Maybe I'm just bitter because I've lost that competitive edge?

[graeme]

Its certainly true that peoples' perception of good planning usually reflect more on whether the area was good. Similarly, its brave to criticise the planner when you've had a bad run since those who had good ones will just accuse you of being a sore loser and ignore your actual points.

I was out last, so unaffected when I reached the other start. At I 44 don't expect to be able to read 1:15 without a magnifier - losing ~10 min on the featureless moor (54) took the competitive edge away, but if I knew what the map symbols were I should have found it. On a moor you're always going to have long sight lines.

A challenge - plan good long leg...

I'll try 3 (69) -17 (130) (or 200m north of 17)

(I haven't been on Burbage before- apologies if its been done to death)

[FatBoy]

Just found the trig point on the map! Easy control anyway but would've been even easier if I could've found that at the time. On M21L we also had the #15 obscure an important crag on the (my) route in.

Agree controls from opposite directions was poor, although I was very late out (think I kept seeing Graeme - grey cag?) and didn't affect me too much - it was only when I saw other people's maps was this apparent.

I thought the area to the NE over the road where only us and the M21E course went was a bit of a waste for us. Looks a nice little complex area but wasted: 5 was on the southern edge, 6 was on the northern edge so just run on the needle until you run out of undulations and hey there's the flag, 7 was up the path and 8 follow the very prominent gully to it. This perhaps would've been ok if it hadn't been a long slog in and out of the area.

Overall I enjoyed the course though, and I did have a good run (only 45s wasted in a circle where the map had got damaged - and it wasn't a printing problem so not having a go - just bad luck where the only map damage was). The trouble with Burbage always is the interesting bits aren't that big.

[runnerbean]

3. I couldn't read the detail on the 1:15000 map (I'm only 31 years old, it can't have just been me).

Great! Someone else who couldn't read the detail at 1:15000. Was this because the map was a shrunk 1:10000 or is this how a 1:15000 map should look? If so, why can't everyone use 1:10000 in future? I'd rather have an over-sized map I can read.

[Nails]

A challenge - plan good long leg...

I'll try 3 (69) -17 (130) (or 200m north of 17)

(I haven't been on Burbage before- apologies if its been done to death)

Yep done that one before -and the other direction

[EddieH]

We're back to an old topic I started. If Elite eyes cannot read it at 1:15000 it is unlikely that veteran eyes can at 1:10000.

The whole point of duplicate scales is that the map should be surveyed FOR the maller scale and enlarged for the older competitors - NOT the other way round.

[Godders]

3. I couldn't read the detail on the 1:15000 map (I'm only 31 years old, it can't have just been me).

Same for me. Didn't enjoy the quarry area at all because of it. Although it turns out I got 2nd fastest split to 6!

[Carnage Head]

My first mistake on Sunday was at 112, and I find it a strange place to put a control (on a short wet ditch) especially on such seasonally-changing part of the moorland. That, and the obscuring of detail by control cirlces, are my only grumbles about the event - and even on that control I made an elementary mistake by assuming that another competitor (Supersaint) was heading in the right direction! All other mistakes were down to my bad judgement!

I loved the 'slow run' forest in the middle of the map - when the wind was whistling through the trees it felt other-worldly.

Incidentally, I love the feeling at the end of a race, especially a long one, when you have returned and you think about what you've achieved, and you know that people coming back on the same course have just undergone the same ordeal as you (and in my case, usually much quicker) - a kind of shared sense of achievement, if you'll excuse the schmaltzyness.

What a sport.

Goodnight... (yes, I have been drinking!)

[Rob P]

From the BOF Ranking page

"There are several competitors with missing or unknown BOF membership numbers, which normally indicates non-membership so no ranking points are allocated to them. But the ranking system thinks that the following may be members:


details given in the submitted results
class pos Name Club bofno
M20E 8 Patrick Higgins (IRL) LVO ------
M21E 6 Allan Bogle (IRL) NWOC ------
M21E 20 Rob Palmer (WAL) NOC ------
M21E 32 David Alcock (WAL) AIRE ------
M21S 7 Matt Richards HALO ------
W21E 5 Helen Palmer (WAL) NOC ------
W21E 11 Toni O'Donovan (IRL) INT ------
W21E 13 Aislinn Austin (IRL) CLOK ------
W21E 30 Carys Morgan (WAL) SWOC ------
W21E 33 Violet Linton (IRL) LVO ------
W21E 35 Susan Bell (IRL) LVO ------
W35S 3 Sophie Brown AIRE ------
M21E 14 James Logue (IRL) NWOC ------
M21E 21 Steven Linton (IRL) NWOC ------
M21E 29 Ivan Millar (IRL) LVO ------
W20E 9 Clare Dallimore (WAL) SWOC ------
W21E 12 Heather Burrow (WAL) ERYRI ------
M21E 4 Marcus Pinker (IRL) IRL ------
M21L 6 Conor Barry CORKO ------
M21S 13 Neil Mc Millan UDOC 100000
M50L 41 Stewart Gardner CLARO 100000
W20E 11 Ciara Largey (IRL) FERM O ------
W20S 1 Ruth Kirby UDOC ------
W21E 2 Mhairi Mackenzie (SCO) SCO 100000
W21E 26 Alice Bedwell (WAL) BOK ------
W21L 6 Jaimie Doe SYO ------

If your name appears in the list above and you are a BOF member and you would like to have ranking points allocated, you should contact the event organiser to get the results updated. "

I'm not all that bothered about the rankings, but if anyone knows who to contact about this, an email address would be useful, because I can't find one on the SYO site.

[jab]

The organiser was Brian Shaw. His email address is
b.shaw[at]dysontt.com

[Spookster]

You could ask Brian, but he'll just forward your request to me, because I did entries and I'm doing results queries.

The reason there are so many people with unidentified BOF numbers is that BOF haven't given me their latest membership list, despite me now requesting it twice by email.

Anyway, you can email me at:
martinandlesley[at]blueyonder.co.uk

[Gross]

Maybe that's coz you refer to 'them' as BOF when according to the latest bit of news it should be 'British Orienteering' in public forums

[Spookster]

Maybe that's coz you refer to 'them' as BOF when according to the latest bit of news it should be 'British Orienteering' in public forums

That might be what it says in the latest bit of news, but their contact email address is definitely still "bof" at british orienteering etc.

Do you think they'd reply if I sent one to "britishorienteering@britishorienteering.org.uk"