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Lizi Beee - brown
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Jene wrote: only 20? ish juniors(the later last legs) out of over 200 won't have managed to get breakfast:
Yes I realise it's a minority issue but those few late finishers will probably be the most in need and i was only offering an extension to the existing service to plug a very small gap.....
........anway no-one will want my jam sarnies if there's a couple of glamourous girls offering bacon butties

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Mrs H. - nope godmother
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Mrs H. wrote:........anway no-one will want my jam sarnies if there's a couple of glamourous girls offering bacon butties
When you've been up since 3am with just a couple of hours sleep beforehand glamour doesn't come in to it. Food is food!!
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Klebe - blue
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More night legs I say. There's a real lack of juniors able to night orienteer and reducing night legs isn't going to help! Get more out there learning as they go.
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Little Hoddy - green
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Klebe - if that was meant to be re-assuring what you should have said was "many people prefer a more mature charm over youthful beauty" not food is food
Little Hoddy - I take your point - but the guide lines need to be changed then to take account, that's all. (and of course we need to have more night events of a suitable nature to prepare the way). Ancient Grouse is proposing to tag two night events onto my MADO events - there's a start

Little Hoddy - I take your point - but the guide lines need to be changed then to take account, that's all. (and of course we need to have more night events of a suitable nature to prepare the way). Ancient Grouse is proposing to tag two night events onto my MADO events - there's a start
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Mrs H. - nope godmother
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BBQ idea is a fantastic one and I'm sure it would be very much appreciated. Of the 3 PPs I've been to I don't think I've ever made it as far as breakfast, think i got to the place at Sandhurst last year a bit late but generally it just doesn't seem to fit in, even if you've run early then you want to wait to see the rest of your team in...and maybe another team from your club...and I usually just end up staying around the assembly area til prizegiving, after which it is too late.
About the night legs, I don't think it was too much of a problem. I ran light green and have a lot of night O experience, and was well prepared to run a considerable proportion of it in the dark if all went to plan. As Hocolite said, it does even the playing field a bit as well - after all, every team gets the same length of darkness, but for the top clubs it just makes it harder because they have to find another night runners. LG runners are usually advised to take a headtorch anyway though. However there was no real noticeable difference in times between early runners who had to run in the dark and the later runners who benefitted from the light in the overall course results. I ran fairly early on on the LG and found that by about 15 minutes into the course it was light enough to see the ground and pick out controls, especially in open areas, but the headtorch was just needed to read the map.
About the night legs, I don't think it was too much of a problem. I ran light green and have a lot of night O experience, and was well prepared to run a considerable proportion of it in the dark if all went to plan. As Hocolite said, it does even the playing field a bit as well - after all, every team gets the same length of darkness, but for the top clubs it just makes it harder because they have to find another night runners. LG runners are usually advised to take a headtorch anyway though. However there was no real noticeable difference in times between early runners who had to run in the dark and the later runners who benefitted from the light in the overall course results. I ran fairly early on on the LG and found that by about 15 minutes into the course it was light enough to see the ground and pick out controls, especially in open areas, but the headtorch was just needed to read the map.
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helen - junior moderator
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He's working on them as I speak. Trouble is the multiple yellows and mispunching on them means a lot of extra work everything has to be edited manually. Yesterday he was too tired.
Diets and fitness are no good if you can't read the map.
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HOCOLITE - addict
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I think the guidelines got changed when the PPR went down to 6 legs. Previously, both red legs were designated as night (which is why they were red), with the LG as the dawn leg. Although there's a bit of a mismatch between guideline and actuality, it looks to me as if the actuality is the way to go given the vibes both here and at the race, and the guidelines should be rewritten (as long as it's recognised that it's the dawn leg for the leaders, not for the 'average' or somesuch team). As it was, two years ago our orange leg runner was on the verge of needing a headtorch. I'd say stick with the 4.30am start at this time of the year.
Over the past few years, we've had quite a few doing their first night race at the PPR, sometimes a bit unexpectedly. As far as I can recall, without exception they've loved it, and many have been converted to more regular night orienteering.
Over the past few years, we've had quite a few doing their first night race at the PPR, sometimes a bit unexpectedly. As far as I can recall, without exception they've loved it, and many have been converted to more regular night orienteering.
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awk - god
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Little Hoddy wrote:More night legs I say. There's a real lack of juniors able to night orienteer.
ive never night-oed in my life


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miik - off string
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I dont think it should change at all because most comments about the event have been that this year was really good and I must agree
I had my best ever run this year on 1st leg, despite my collision with the barrier at the end, and the atmosphere was awsome from start too finish and i think Yorkshire are still unbeaten for being the loudest support again.
Congrats too AIRE for winning and hard luck to DEESIDE as it was close.
Bring on next year
I had my best ever run this year on 1st leg, despite my collision with the barrier at the end, and the atmosphere was awsome from start too finish and i think Yorkshire are still unbeaten for being the loudest support again.
Congrats too AIRE for winning and hard luck to DEESIDE as it was close.
Bring on next year
He who dares, wins
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Stu - red
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Its good to see the Peter Palmers still going strong, its amazing to think its being going 13 years now. Its a great tribute to Peter Palmer and the work he did for British junior orienteering.
I remember the first competition back in 1993. Me and my brother were so sure we'd win that we bought a large bottle of champagne at the French champs the week before to spray around on the podium. Of course being so cocky was asking for trouble. ESOC and a certain Jammy Stevenson kicked our butts, we (EBOR)ended up 2nd I think.
We finally won it in 1995, but by then the champagne bottle had long since been emptied.
I remember the first competition back in 1993. Me and my brother were so sure we'd win that we bought a large bottle of champagne at the French champs the week before to spray around on the podium. Of course being so cocky was asking for trouble. ESOC and a certain Jammy Stevenson kicked our butts, we (EBOR)ended up 2nd I think.
We finally won it in 1995, but by then the champagne bottle had long since been emptied.
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