FCC Final
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Hocolite said:
'I think both should be going but also think it should be made clear by the selectors so that someone doesn't think they've done enough in a selection race to be told 'sorry mate you might have come second but you are not going', that's if the selectors bother to tell them at all!
Someone is hardly likely to come second in the JWOC selection races and not be picked - however, there's always a first time perhaps? The selection criteria quoted above say that the selectors can pick 2 on all known form - leaves 4 other places ... best to get in the top 2 (or 3) to be sure of being picked. The debate about 6th place is usually the tricky one.
'I think both should be going but also think it should be made clear by the selectors so that someone doesn't think they've done enough in a selection race to be told 'sorry mate you might have come second but you are not going', that's if the selectors bother to tell them at all!
Someone is hardly likely to come second in the JWOC selection races and not be picked - however, there's always a first time perhaps? The selection criteria quoted above say that the selectors can pick 2 on all known form - leaves 4 other places ... best to get in the top 2 (or 3) to be sure of being picked. The debate about 6th place is usually the tricky one.
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Rookie wrote:i guess they should contact the selectors and explain, then go and win the day they can make it to.
mmmhmmm which im sure they've done.
the point being that with three out of the running you'd better win that day to get in the team. now that will get middle england upset
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rocky - [nope] cartel
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guest wrote:So if the selectors can only pre-select 2 and your suggesting only the top 2 in the final can be sure of selection - whre will the other 2 come from?
not that they can, just that they will.
the selection criteria clearly state that up to two runners may be selected "for experience".
hence:
say we have two runners who are clearly the best in the country but cannot run the final*. i dunno, call them olav and fraser.
then two runners who are younger but have the potential to do well at jwoc in the next two years and perform reasonably well in selection races. we'll call this pair Rhombus and Dougal say.
then there are only two spots left in the team for the best runners at the selection race, for people like JT, DC, JB, AL, JM, TB etc etc to fight over.
Then if one of those runners doesnt run one of the days, say the middle, and wins the other, you'd better win the middle or your in trouble!
this is all hypothetical of course!
i guess it goes back to what i always say, you have to make the selectors pick you or else you might not get selected.
*{ok ok so oleg is probably gonna run but we'll ignore him for now}
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rocky - [nope] cartel
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What a shame when on the surface it seems to be such a marvellously open-handed event > get to the final >get in the top 6> go to JWOC.
after all in American athletics everyone has to perform at the required selection events in order to get to the olympics.
It's all a bit of a con really isn't it? the selectors will take whom they want and 2 people they can't ignore - the rest is just window dressing ( or cannon fodder if you happen to be in that top 6).
after all in American athletics everyone has to perform at the required selection events in order to get to the olympics.
It's all a bit of a con really isn't it? the selectors will take whom they want and 2 people they can't ignore - the rest is just window dressing ( or cannon fodder if you happen to be in that top 6).
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the selectors job is to take a team to JWOC with the best possible chance of doing well. With only 3 in each gender (plus 1 relay team of 3) taking people for whom the experience is beneficial is worthwhile.
but as has been said, the juniors know that they have to get in a position to not not be selected.
but as has been said, the juniors know that they have to get in a position to not not be selected.
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Supersaint - team nopesport
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guest wrote:Granted it was exceptional circumstances, as the 3 (Oleg, Scott and Dan) were all injuryed at the time of the FCC final.
and rightly so as all 3 proved to be the strongest of the guys that went.
2005 selections here:
http://www.nopesport.com/index.php?nav= ... ior&id=138
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brooner - [nope] cartel
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I came 3rd on both days and 2nd overall in the FCC League - therefore got selected for JWOC... so did the other 2 who finished 1st and 2nd over the FCC final weekend.
EDIT - which included Duncan Coombs and James Tullie.
EDIT - which included Duncan Coombs and James Tullie.
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JWOC Selections
Guys and gals.
It's not about picking the best performers at the FCC Final - it's about taking the best team of ATHLETES GB can, who the selectors feel will learn from their experiences at JWOC and go on to become World Class Seniors in a few years.
Remember - the GB team is 100% financed through the Lottery - the Junior Potential Group and the JEC and JWOC teams they make up should be about preparing World Class talent .
Performances at JWOC and JEC are secondary to developing World Class future talent. They oftern go hand in hand but not necessarily (ie Jamie S didn't have such good JWOCs).
My personal view - if your attitude to being a 24/7 athlete stinks and you show no desire to become a World Class senior elite orienteer in the next 5 years don't bother trying to get to JWOC - you will be wasting Lottery money.
I shouldn't have upset anyone with this, but I'm sure I have!
Lard
Guys and gals.
It's not about picking the best performers at the FCC Final - it's about taking the best team of ATHLETES GB can, who the selectors feel will learn from their experiences at JWOC and go on to become World Class Seniors in a few years.
Remember - the GB team is 100% financed through the Lottery - the Junior Potential Group and the JEC and JWOC teams they make up should be about preparing World Class talent .
Performances at JWOC and JEC are secondary to developing World Class future talent. They oftern go hand in hand but not necessarily (ie Jamie S didn't have such good JWOCs).
My personal view - if your attitude to being a 24/7 athlete stinks and you show no desire to become a World Class senior elite orienteer in the next 5 years don't bother trying to get to JWOC - you will be wasting Lottery money.
I shouldn't have upset anyone with this, but I'm sure I have!
Lard
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Lard - diehard
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Lard are you suggesting that only GB potential squad athletes should go to JWOC? If so then why is FCC a selection race because there are a number of competitors who might hope to get to JWOC who are not (possibly yet) in the potential squad who are going to the final. I do appreciate it is a selection race for other things as well.
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