Map Homework?
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I remember well, just after I started
Me: "how did you find that pit at #3?"
DW McIntyre "I attacked it from the veg boundary just there"
Me "But there's no veg boundary there "
DWM "Oh, well it was there on the old version of the map"
Me: "how did you find that pit at #3?"
DW McIntyre "I attacked it from the veg boundary just there"
Me "But there's no veg boundary there "
DWM "Oh, well it was there on the old version of the map"
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graeme - god
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having spoken to carol edwards (mother of anne) they try to get big race maps and look at them for route choices
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rob f - yellow
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Well it may well be legal, but hardly in the spirit of the competition.
I don't think the control descriptions are provided in advance with the expectation that people will work out their course routes....otherwise the course routes would be provided in advance as well and save everyone the bother of the string exercise.
Plus, the intellectual challenge and thrill is maximised by trying to do it in the forest whilst running, not in the armchair beforehand. (map-reading that is)
I don't think the control descriptions are provided in advance with the expectation that people will work out their course routes....otherwise the course routes would be provided in advance as well and save everyone the bother of the string exercise.
Plus, the intellectual challenge and thrill is maximised by trying to do it in the forest whilst running, not in the armchair beforehand. (map-reading that is)
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It was a big shock, when moving back to Scotland to find that you get to see the course before your run. (not badge events of course)
As for working out from old maps, as an avid map collector I have got most of my old maps from previous runs, and previous runs gives experience of an area. In some parts of the world, like wee Midland woods, there are only so many sites and so many good legs, so you have an idea whats coming.
Best of all experience gives you a feel for the forest, just how green is the green etc.. Funny, after 10 runs on Sutton Park, mostly involving the same awkward and still hard to find depression, that I will not be seeing it again soon.
Trying to worl out whats coming is a great wealking to the start game and always will be. (Unless you have the course from the carpark)
As for working out from old maps, as an avid map collector I have got most of my old maps from previous runs, and previous runs gives experience of an area. In some parts of the world, like wee Midland woods, there are only so many sites and so many good legs, so you have an idea whats coming.
Best of all experience gives you a feel for the forest, just how green is the green etc.. Funny, after 10 runs on Sutton Park, mostly involving the same awkward and still hard to find depression, that I will not be seeing it again soon.
Trying to worl out whats coming is a great wealking to the start game and always will be. (Unless you have the course from the carpark)
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ryeland of doom - blue
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This has been an interesting thread but...
We had been allowing White and Yellow juniors to see their courses in the assembly area a few years before the BOF rules changed to allow this and it is becoming common to allow copying from master maps in prestart at colour coded events as allowed by the most recent BOF rules.
So where is the shock?
ryeland of doom wrote:It was a big shock, when moving back to Scotland to find that you get to see the course before your run.
We had been allowing White and Yellow juniors to see their courses in the assembly area a few years before the BOF rules changed to allow this and it is becoming common to allow copying from master maps in prestart at colour coded events as allowed by the most recent BOF rules.
So where is the shock?
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Nothing wrong with a bit of gamesmanship in my opinion - For the biggest races I'd certainly advocate embargoed areas, descriptions in start box etc but for lesser ones why not:
work out where the start and finish are on an old map
try and second guess where the course might go
see which other courses share your first/last controls
many of us orienteer because we enjoy using our brains, the above are all part of the intellectual experience. Looking at a finisher's map though isn't - that is cheating.
For a couple of years my club has allowed competitors unlimited time to copy down / study their courses at district and below events. Naturally this hasn't gone down well with everyone since it "obviously removes the essence of orienteering". Actually it adds some interesting dimensions, trying to do the first few controls from map memory (a great training exercise) for example. Where there is a good route choice on a leg deciding with a closely matched teammate for one to take one route and the other the other. Funnily enough despite this pre-start scrutiny of the course mistakes are still made in the circle, intended route choices changed, and the same people finish at the top and at the bottom.
work out where the start and finish are on an old map
try and second guess where the course might go
see which other courses share your first/last controls
many of us orienteer because we enjoy using our brains, the above are all part of the intellectual experience. Looking at a finisher's map though isn't - that is cheating.
For a couple of years my club has allowed competitors unlimited time to copy down / study their courses at district and below events. Naturally this hasn't gone down well with everyone since it "obviously removes the essence of orienteering". Actually it adds some interesting dimensions, trying to do the first few controls from map memory (a great training exercise) for example. Where there is a good route choice on a leg deciding with a closely matched teammate for one to take one route and the other the other. Funnily enough despite this pre-start scrutiny of the course mistakes are still made in the circle, intended route choices changed, and the same people finish at the top and at the bottom.
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This has been an interesting thread so far but.....
Didnot say it was wrong - OK I dont like it, but am not bothered that much, maybe shock was too strong a word - sorry.
OK surprise then.. Its the biggest change in the sport since I started.Of course I was familiar with the yellow/whiite courses.. but it was a bit of a change after 30 years seeing the course in advance..
We get set in our ways you know.
SIman wrote:s in prestart at colour coded events as allowed by the most recent BOF rules.
So where is the shock?
Didnot say it was wrong - OK I dont like it, but am not bothered that much, maybe shock was too strong a word - sorry.
OK surprise then.. Its the biggest change in the sport since I started.Of course I was familiar with the yellow/whiite courses.. but it was a bit of a change after 30 years seeing the course in advance..
We get set in our ways you know.
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ryeland of doom - blue
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RJ wrote:I would go as far as to say that there should only be descriptions on maps.
mharky wrote:good idea, small events dont need it. and at big ones you should get them in the call up box.
Obviously you'd still need them at district event without over printed maps.
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ryeland of doom wrote:This has been an interesting thread so far but.....SIman wrote:s in prestart at colour coded events as allowed by the most recent BOF rules.
So where is the shock?
Didnot say it was wrong - OK I dont like it, but am not bothered that much, maybe shock was too strong a word - sorry.
OK surprise then.. Its the biggest change in the sport since I started.Of course I was familiar with the yellow/whiite courses.. but it was a bit of a change after 30 years seeing the course in advance..
We get set in our ways you know.
Some scandinavia events I've been to you get a full minute to look at your map, during that time you can plan all the route choice legs, thus taking part of the orienteering away.
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Rich - orange
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Rich wrote:
Some scandinavia events I've been to you get a full minute to look at your map, during that time you can plan all the route choice legs, thus taking part of the orienteering away.
Or you can choose not to look.
If people like "taking away part of the orienteering" its their loss not yours. Unless you are obsessively competitive.
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graeme - god
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You never get to see your map before on the elite classes tho. In fact it's normally just at kids event they do that now, at least in Stockholm district. I've shadowed at a few of these and they provide a black and white map for the shadower in the minute before as well, which is really good.
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Graeme wrote:Or you can choose not to look.
But no one should be given the chance in larger events, the recent event I did was the Modum. I want to do my best at events obviously, thats why we train, so given the opportunity to look, competitors will get a slight advantage if they do look.
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