Some good points made above by Scott and Spitalfields about the focus on international selection and elitist terminology.
The Workgroup is reviewing the 'Pathway' not any specific 'Programme' within the Pathway. So that means clubs, regions, schools, coaches, parents, etc. For me its important that there are certain principles that are agreed and clearly understood and any Programme funded or otherwise is working for the good of the Pathway as whole.
We have an excellent coach education framework which serves the entry levels of the Pathway well and I think if this can be extended to accommodate elite coaching this can be the glue that makes sure we're all on the same page in terms what we're trying to achieve.
The Pathway is certainly not just about a handful going to WOC and JWOC - events such as EYOC, JHI, JIRCs, schools and university championships, Peter Palmer Relays, Yvette Baker/Jamie Stevenson, etc. offer focus, motivation, team spirit and fun for 1000s not just a few and with a coherent Pathway our young YBT runners can feel part of something bigger and be inspired by their older team mates with tales of EYOC, World Schools etc. The more we can engage, enthuse and educate youngsters and their parents the more likely they are to stay in the sport and contribute to its future.
It works the other way round too. If we want a Performance Programme capable of delivering world class athletes then we need as wide a base as possible and a Pathway which encourages and supports athletes and with the passion and commitment necessary for sustained senior careers and coaches and others to support the seniors and as many youngsters as possible at each level of the Pathway.
Selections are a challenge in all of this - clearly not everyone can run at WOC or indeed train with their regional squads and getting the balance right is difficult. Each level in the Pathway should be fun and engaging for all not just a stepping stone to the next level, and fuel a lifelong passion for orienteering not just focus on the short term results of a few.
British Orienteering has an embryonic but active Youth Retention Programme which should be a key component of the Pathway to facilitate the broader aims.
I agree that the terms Talent and Performance have been tarnished in recent years and the associated jargon alienates people including many of our elite coaches. Worse still British Orienteering doesn't seem to understand the intent and principles embodied . the terms they've adopted - conveniently dropping the 'Active for Life' stage from the original Long Term Athlete Development model. Changing the terminology would certainly help signal a fresh start, but ideally we need a Pathway that is both attractive to external funding bodies in the future and serves the long term interests of our sport.
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Spitalfields and Big Jon's comments were interesting.
I agree with Big Jon when he says
But I don't think that's the answer. Probably the majority of clubs are only providing limited coaching at best (eg once or twice a year). I don't see any significant change in the next few years, possibly ever.
It's a bit depressing to read this from Spitalfields
Though I understand places in regional squads are rationed because there are only so many places available on JROS trips and JROS competitions, so that means inevitably juniors being "dropped" from the squad. As a predominantly individual sport where normally we can turn up to whatever event we want, this can feel alien and counter to our culture.
So I think the solution could be:
a) Regional squad coaching days open to any junior who reaches a defined technical standard (eg completes a light green course independantly).
b) Selection within regional squads for tours and JROS competitions.
c) Ex JROS squads/clubs/organisations/alumni aimed at the M/W21 age group with a focus on semi-recreational orienteering/socialising, ie meeting up at regional events and going to the pub/cafe etc afterwards. Basically do what SLOW have been doing for years.
Of course extra coaches/helpers would be needed for a), which could come from c).
This gives all juniors access to high quality coaching, and an alternative pathway for juniors that are unable to, or don't want to, become elite orienteers. Clubs might then be able to focus their junior coaching on yellow/orange standard orienteers. Clubs and regions don't have to wait for a BO initiative to do this, it's entirely within their power.
I agree with Big Jon when he says
Clubs must provide the vast bulk of technical training for all orienteers (not just juniors).
But I don't think that's the answer. Probably the majority of clubs are only providing limited coaching at best (eg once or twice a year). I don't see any significant change in the next few years, possibly ever.
It's a bit depressing to read this from Spitalfields
When at least one of the regional junior squads is kicking enthusiastic, regular participants out for not being good enough, it's difficult to believe that inspiring all juniors to remain a hobbyist orienteer for life is anywhere close to their thinking.
Though I understand places in regional squads are rationed because there are only so many places available on JROS trips and JROS competitions, so that means inevitably juniors being "dropped" from the squad. As a predominantly individual sport where normally we can turn up to whatever event we want, this can feel alien and counter to our culture.
So I think the solution could be:
a) Regional squad coaching days open to any junior who reaches a defined technical standard (eg completes a light green course independantly).
b) Selection within regional squads for tours and JROS competitions.
c) Ex JROS squads/clubs/organisations/alumni aimed at the M/W21 age group with a focus on semi-recreational orienteering/socialising, ie meeting up at regional events and going to the pub/cafe etc afterwards. Basically do what SLOW have been doing for years.
Of course extra coaches/helpers would be needed for a), which could come from c).
This gives all juniors access to high quality coaching, and an alternative pathway for juniors that are unable to, or don't want to, become elite orienteers. Clubs might then be able to focus their junior coaching on yellow/orange standard orienteers. Clubs and regions don't have to wait for a BO initiative to do this, it's entirely within their power.
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ScotJOS isn't the only squad where juniors are subject to standards.
North West Junior Squad is disbanded at the end of each year and reformed on Jan 1st.
The standards documents can be found on the NWOA/NWJS web pages.
In 2018 there were 21 girls and 29 boys.
At the end of the year we had 13 M/W18 leavers and another 5 juniors were told that they wouldn't be part of the reformed squad.
But with some new faces January 2019 had 22 girls and 18 boys on the lists.
Another 4 or 5 juniors are being considered as new joiners part way through the year.
Certainly running weekends for upwards of 40 juniors is challenging.
North West Junior Squad is disbanded at the end of each year and reformed on Jan 1st.
The standards documents can be found on the NWOA/NWJS web pages.
In 2018 there were 21 girls and 29 boys.
At the end of the year we had 13 M/W18 leavers and another 5 juniors were told that they wouldn't be part of the reformed squad.
But with some new faces January 2019 had 22 girls and 18 boys on the lists.
Another 4 or 5 juniors are being considered as new joiners part way through the year.
Certainly running weekends for upwards of 40 juniors is challenging.
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Big Jon wrote: So how do we provide for juniors
Fair point, its rather easy to criticise. Broadening back to the actual topic, here's what I think. This is a good start.
the United Kingdom should have an inclusive, clearly defined and appropriately supported talent pathway which results in
As many athletes as possible aspiring to be the best they can be.
Greater motivation and resilience of those athletes.
A higher level of performance at an international level.
Athletes enjoying, staying in and contributing to the sport throughout their life
Broaden the base
Make "Gold Standard" the target. In place of JWOC medals, let's task the Pathway to produce 24 athletes achieving gold standard at BOC/JK MW20 (one person, per year, per region). Focussing the target on 20s measures output rather than input into the pathway.
How to proceed? I think we have great and devoted coaches. Micromanaging volunteers is a terrible idea: we must trust the coaches to coach. It's the structure that needs changing.
Remove(perceived bias in) International Selection
Only athletes with a reasonable hope of top-10 should be selected for junior Internationals. The rest of the team should qualify based on who wins agreed qualification races.
Abolish (devisive) Squad Deselection
Open up the "Talent and Performance Pathway" to anyone who qualifies by achieving Gold Standard. There should be no pressure on the top athletes to take part in any particular training.
Work Together
Make sure the BOF programme works with and makes best use of what else is out there. Work together with JROS* - It speaks volumes that the questionnaire talks about "British orienteering run or by other organisations such as JROS"
Chuck everyone from Edinburgh University off the Squad
Recognise and exploit the superb training program that mharky runs here. The marginal benefits to those athletes of also getting BOF squad training are small. This will free up resource to widen the base.
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SeanC wrote:c) Ex JROS squads/clubs/organisations/alumni aimed at the M/W21 age group with a focus on semi-recreational orienteering/socialising, ie meeting up at regional events and going to the pub/cafe etc afterwards. Basically do what SLOW have been doing for years.
Of course extra coaches/helpers would be needed for a), which could come from c).
This sounds great. Why not include the occasional nostalgic training camp.
The idea is similar to university clubs and postgrad clubs which are often organised by current or regional or national squad members and populated by others re-joining a sport they tried as youngsters.
SeanC wrote:Though I understand places in regional squads are rationed...
I imagine this is partly to maintain standards so coaching is aimed an appropriate level and partly the practicalities of managing larger groups or shortage of coaches/helpers.
As Jon says coaching for the less experienced or less committed should perhaps be managed by clubs and perhaps at the higher level. There are also suggestions to introduce 'Area Squads' (eg South, North, Scotland) to provide more opportunities for experienced 16/18s. Perhaps in Scotland its the other way with Area groups providing the broader opportunity for the less experienced.
All this require more coaches and helpers but there seems to be plenty of interest from former squaddies young and old.
If squad training camps are more open allowing other groups to join them and share the courses, maps, permissions etc that would certainly help broaden the Pathway. There could also be centres of excellence providing resources in local areas for visiting groups not just focussing on individual squads. Costs can be saved and even revenues generated. Also gives opportunities for coaches to meet and share ideas.
One point to emphasise is that its not the Workgroup's intention to water down the Performance side of the Pathway (the draft aims include winning medals at world championships), but many coaches believe that a broader, stronger base and more holistic approach is the best way to achieve sustained world class success. This approach should also offer a better experience for all involved and more benefits for the sport as a whole. In practical terms sharing of training resources and a stronger coaching base could help elite athletes directly and being seen as part of a Pathway which benefits the whole sport can only help with finding funds to support the Programme moving forwards.
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I'm in agreement with most of what others have said above, and am very encouraged by what buzz has said about the work going on in the Workgroup.
I think the reason that selection for regional junior squads is so divisive is that, across most of the country, there is little or no structured activity for juniors below this level. Very few clubs put on regular training for their juniors, although many clubs don't have the critical mass of juniors to make such training worthwhile. (This is, perhaps, something of a chicken-and-egg situation.)
This matters not just because juniors who don't get selected for their regional junior squad miss out on the benefits of coaching and technical training, but also because it means that they get very few opportunities to socialise in person with other junior orienteers of their own age.
For many of those juniors who don't make their regional squad, their experience of orienteering is reduced to being driven by their parents to orienteering events which - with start times spread over several hours and everyone based out of their own car - are hardly the most social occasions at the best of times. Even if you do bump into some fellow juniors, it can be easy to feel a little socially excluded when "everyone else is in the squad" and you don't know any of the in-jokes.
It's not hard to see why a teenager in this situation might decide to find a more sociable way to spend their weekends.
Sadly I don't have any brilliant ideas on how to solve this. A couple of thoughts - some of which may be outside the scope of the current review:
I think the reason that selection for regional junior squads is so divisive is that, across most of the country, there is little or no structured activity for juniors below this level. Very few clubs put on regular training for their juniors, although many clubs don't have the critical mass of juniors to make such training worthwhile. (This is, perhaps, something of a chicken-and-egg situation.)
This matters not just because juniors who don't get selected for their regional junior squad miss out on the benefits of coaching and technical training, but also because it means that they get very few opportunities to socialise in person with other junior orienteers of their own age.
For many of those juniors who don't make their regional squad, their experience of orienteering is reduced to being driven by their parents to orienteering events which - with start times spread over several hours and everyone based out of their own car - are hardly the most social occasions at the best of times. Even if you do bump into some fellow juniors, it can be easy to feel a little socially excluded when "everyone else is in the squad" and you don't know any of the in-jokes.
It's not hard to see why a teenager in this situation might decide to find a more sociable way to spend their weekends.
Sadly I don't have any brilliant ideas on how to solve this. A couple of thoughts - some of which may be outside the scope of the current review:
- Club competitions can be a fantastic way for juniors to feel part of a bigger social group, but orienteering as a whole seems oddly averse to these. Compare, for example, other "individual" sports such as road running, where pretty much every individual race has a team competition tacked on to it.
It would be pretty straightforward to set up a competition for juniors from two neigbouring clubs at an otherwise ordinary orienteering event; the challenge is to make it inclusive but also meaningful and interesting, rather than another never-ending galoppen-style competition. Club A vs Club B, X runners to count on each of an agreed set of courses at a single event, lowest total time wins? (Perhaps even a league, where each of the clubs in an area "play" each other "home" and "away" over the course of a year?) - Similarly, orienteering remains very wedded to individual-start, time-trial races, which generally offer the purest technical challenge but minimal chances for socialising. It would be interesting to experiment with a few more mass-start, one-man-relay style loops races, which offer both valuable head-to-head racing practice and a lot more opportunities for pre- and post-race chat.
- I did team sports as a kid, and generally had as much fun getting a lift to away matches with my mates in someone else's parents' car as I did in the match itself (although, to be fair, I was pretty terrible at the actual sport bit). Compared to lots of other sports, the fact that so many juniors always travel to and from orienteering races with their parents can actually be a bit of a blocker to juniors socialising with each other at events.
(Yes, there are some child protection issues with lift-sharing - the CPSU have a great guide.)
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Scott makes a great point about how divisive squads can be if you're not in them particularly if there are no alternative and also identifies the social side as being the key aspect. As Scott suggests its really the clubs that need to step up and fill the gaps with team events, club nights and coaching sessions that are as much about the social side as the orienteering.
It also helps if there's more overlap with the various levels in the Pathway so that clubs, regional and national squads train together from time to time or compete together at events like YBT, Peter Palmer Relays, JHIs, Interland, British Schools, World Schools etc. It was great to see the 'stars' of the WCOC junior team lining up alongside 12 year olds at the Peter Palmer relays last year.
The big problem is motivating clubs and potential coaches to invest time and money in their juniors. I think that if clubs recognise that athlete development (junior and senior) is vital for the future of the sport and they in turn are recognised by the so called 'elite' as an important part of the Pathway we'll see a renaissance in junior participation. At the moment we have two great divides between British Orienteering and its Membership, and Elite and Club orienteers. Fixing the Talent Pathway could go a long way towards bridging these gaps.
It also helps if there's more overlap with the various levels in the Pathway so that clubs, regional and national squads train together from time to time or compete together at events like YBT, Peter Palmer Relays, JHIs, Interland, British Schools, World Schools etc. It was great to see the 'stars' of the WCOC junior team lining up alongside 12 year olds at the Peter Palmer relays last year.
The big problem is motivating clubs and potential coaches to invest time and money in their juniors. I think that if clubs recognise that athlete development (junior and senior) is vital for the future of the sport and they in turn are recognised by the so called 'elite' as an important part of the Pathway we'll see a renaissance in junior participation. At the moment we have two great divides between British Orienteering and its Membership, and Elite and Club orienteers. Fixing the Talent Pathway could go a long way towards bridging these gaps.
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buzz wrote: I think that if clubs recognise that athlete development (junior and senior) is vital for the future of the sport
Exactly this (my emphasis).
At the moment clubs see a "Talent" structure where the best are creamed off to non-club activity and almost all the other juniors drop out. They see the things you want them to do as a path to nowhere.
When you see clubs with successful, thriving junior programmes, it's always because some motivated individual want a successful thriving junior programme as an end in itself. That's a very excellent thing, but its non vital for the future of the (adult) sport.
At the moment we have two great divides between British Orienteering and its Membership, and Elite and Club orienteers. Fixing the Talent Pathway could go a long way towards bridging these gaps.
I'm really encouraged that you're looking at it this way. Fixing the divisiveness is by far the most important thing.
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graeme wrote:Big Jon wrote: So how do we provide for juniors
Fair point, its rather easy to criticise. Broadening back to the actual topic, here's what I think. This is a good start.the United Kingdom should have an inclusive, clearly defined and appropriately supported talent pathway which results in
As many athletes as possible aspiring to be the best they can be.
Greater motivation and resilience of those athletes.
A higher level of performance at an international level.
Athletes enjoying, staying in and contributing to the sport throughout their life
Broaden the base
Make "Gold Standard" the target. In place of JWOC medals, let's task the Pathway to produce 24 athletes achieving gold standard at BOC/JK MW20 (one person, per year, per region). Focussing the target on 20s measures output rather than input into the pathway.
How to proceed? I think we have great and devoted coaches. Micromanaging volunteers is a terrible idea: we must trust the coaches to coach. It's the structure that needs changing.
Remove(perceived bias in) International Selection
Only athletes with a reasonable hope of top-10 should be selected for junior Internationals. The rest of the team should qualify based on who wins agreed qualification races.
Abolish (devisive) Squad Deselection
Open up the "Talent and Performance Pathway" to anyone who qualifies by achieving Gold Standard. There should be no pressure on the top athletes to take part in any particular training.
Work Together
Make sure the BOF programme works with and makes best use of what else is out there. Work together with JROS* - It speaks volumes that the questionnaire talks about "British orienteering run or by other organisations such as JROS"
Chuck everyone from Edinburgh University off the Squad
Recognise and exploit the superb training program that mharky runs here. The marginal benefits to those athletes of also getting BOF squad training are small. This will free up resource to widen the base.
A lot of what Graeme is outlining is really interesting
However i'm going to query this I think we have great and devoted coaches
I would agree the coaches we do have are great and devoted. My query is do we have enough? (at all levels and with good geographical coverage)
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eddie wrote:However i'm going to query this I think we have great and devoted coaches
I know it sounds like verbal wallpaper, but I really do mean this. In general, orienteering coaches seem much better at developing athletes as free-thinking individuals than, e.g. athletics coaches, and are much more empathic that, e.g. football coaches.
On your actual point (and on the risk of getting sidetracked), if we don't have enough coaches, we should be looking at the coaching training/qualification scheme which is structured on the premise that coaching kids on a white course is somehow easier than coaching elites. And that you can't coach elites unless you've proved yourself coaching children. For anyone who's come through the talent pathway, or for adults who have never done a white course, I doubt that's true.
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graeme wrote:eddie wrote:However i'm going to query this I think we have great and devoted coaches
I know it sounds like verbal wallpaper, but I really do mean this. In general, orienteering coaches seem much better at developing athletes as free-thinking individuals than, e.g. athletics coaches, and are much more empathic that, e.g. football coaches.
And I would agree with you. I would also caveat this in saying there is variation
On your actual point (and on the risk of getting sidetracked), if we don't have enough coaches, we should be looking at the coaching training/qualification scheme which is structured on the premise that coaching kids on a white course is somehow easier than coaching elites. And that you can't coach elites unless you've proved yourself coaching children. For anyone who's come through the talent pathway, or for adults who have never done a white course, I doubt that's true
And my big concern is numbers (and i've had recent experience of being hamstrung by lack of numbers) The training is one element but who is actually putting themselves forward. I'm querying your assertion that the people exist.
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Big Jon wrote:spitalfields wrote:When at least one of the regional junior squads is kicking enthusiastic, regular participants out for not being good enough, it's difficult to believe that inspiring all juniors to remain a hobbyist orienteer for life is anywhere close to their thinking.
The Scottish Junior Squad (ScotJOS) has never been open to all, it is designed to train the top juniors in Scotland and to provide a pool for selecting JIRCs and JHI teams. A totally open system would entail too many juniors (287 M/W13-18 on the SOA membership list in 2018) and too wide a range of skills/experience to make training options sensible or viable.
This is the point I was making. As I said before, "any notion that an elitist framework is the route to grow participation is utter nonsense, as its very purpose is to do the opposite." I wasn't suggesting that junior squads should be open to all. I was suggesting that any pretence that a 'talent and performance pathway' is the way to inspire the majority of juniors (and indeed adult newcomers) to stay with the sport should be dropped.
If, instead, it is openly acknowledged that- for all the positive reasons there might be to do it- this kind of thing has a negative impact on overall participation and retention, then that could be the starting point for something really positive. Thought could then be given to how to mitigate these negative impacts, and so do something meaningful for everybody's benefit. It's encouraging to hear that there is thought being given to how to fix some of the divides. I hope that will include being honest about the negative impacts, rather than the myth that selective pathways are the route to inspiring participation being perpetuated.
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spitalfields wrote:Big Jon wrote:spitalfields wrote:When at least one of the regional junior squads is kicking enthusiastic, regular participants out for not being good enough, it's difficult to believe that inspiring all juniors to remain a hobbyist orienteer for life is anywhere close to their thinking.
The Scottish Junior Squad (ScotJOS) has never been open to all, it is designed to train the top juniors in Scotland and to provide a pool for selecting JIRCs and JHI teams. A totally open system would entail too many juniors (287 M/W13-18 on the SOA membership list in 2018) and too wide a range of skills/experience to make training options sensible or viable.
This is the point I was making. As I said before, "any notion that an elitist framework is the route to grow participation is utter nonsense, as its very purpose is to do the opposite." I wasn't suggesting that junior squads should be open to all. I was suggesting that any pretence that a 'talent and performance pathway' is the way to inspire the majority of juniors (and indeed adult newcomers) to stay with the sport should be dropped.
If, instead, it is openly acknowledged that- for all the positive reasons there might be to do it- this kind of thing has a negative impact on overall participation and retention, then that could be the starting point for something really positive. Thought could then be given to how to mitigate these negative impacts, and so do something meaningful for everybody's benefit. It's encouraging to hear that there is thought being given to how to fix some of the divides. I hope that will include being honest about the negative impacts, rather than the myth that selective pathways are the route to inspiring participation being perpetuated.
The Talent and Performance pathway is not stopping anyone who wants to coach doing whatever they want, trying to claim it is stopping people is totally unfair criticism. At least those involved in any aspect of the T&P system are doing something just now, even if there is disagreement as to whether it is good or bad.
The clubs need to do the vast majority of coaching. Start and end of story. Without this then any system is open to accusations of elitism, bias, disincentive etc. How do we get clubs to DO coaching?
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Big Jon wrote:How do we get clubs to DO coaching?
Or possibly how do we facilitate coaches to do coaching? My club has maybe 7 or 8 level 1 "coaches" and I think 1 level 2 coach.
How many of these are active coaches? Not sure. I know that most of them are the same people who do most of the planning and organising and committee work so maybe the plan should be to free up the coaches to coach?
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It should be pointed out that there are some clubs who do a lot of coaching as otherwise they have no members. In particular, most university clubs would not exist without recruiting new inexperienced members every year. Putting on this coaching is very high effort for a small number of people so the organisers this training every week have to be highly commended.
If I hadn't started orienteering at university then I probably wouldn't have started. There isn't a lot of opportunity to develop technical skills or friendships without the support of the university club.
If I hadn't started orienteering at university then I probably wouldn't have started. There isn't a lot of opportunity to develop technical skills or friendships without the support of the university club.
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