Many Selections

[Duncan]

When you say "BO should be paying for it", I understand the sentiment, but clearly BO don't magic money out of nowhere. So who do you really think should be paying for it i.e. what income stream into BO? Sport England? The orienteering public via membership fees or event levies? Commercial sponsorship?

[plain lazy]

When you say "BO should be paying for it", I understand the sentiment, but clearly BO don't magic money out of nowhere. So who do you really think should be paying for it i.e. what income stream into BO? Sport England? The orienteering public via membership fees or event levies? Commercial sponsorship?

All of the above?

[Gross]

income stream into BO? Sport England? The orienteering public via membership fees or event levies? Commercial sponsorship?

Not Sport England.... it's a UK team. BOF membership via fees & levies should be contributing. And I understand BOF employs a sponsorship manager or something to raise commercial sponsorship.

If BOF don't have any cash why not an appeal to the 'old' elite who benefited from Lottery Funding.... £100 here & there will go a long way.

[andy]

When you say "BO should be paying for it", I understand the sentiment, but clearly BO don't magic money out of nowhere. So who do you really think should be paying for it i.e. what income stream into BO? Sport England? The orienteering public via membership fees or event levies? Commercial sponsorship?

All of the above?

Sport England is a bit of a minefield given the GB / home countries debate

Commercial sponsorship and BO membership / event levies should be able to pay for it if carefully managed and marketed.

[graeme]

Just come to the UK cup final and win it in prizemoney

Thanks to our nice donors - especially those of you we don't know about yet [HINT].

And thank you to our commercial sponsors ggmaps and DOLM

ggmaps make excellent urban maps and recently appointed a Scottish junior as marketing manager on some form of zero-hours contract. DOLM are superb in the forest, but have had some criticism of their urban product

[Gross]

J recently appointed a Scottish junior as marketing manager on some form of zero-hours contract.

Mr Ashley from Newcastle sponsoring the new Ibrox sprint map then?

[andy]

Also, did British Orienteering not fairly recently appoint a commercial manager with a high enough salary to get a highly skilled person into the role?
Surely the cash should be flowing in a year and a bit on?

edit - but I see from the AGM minutes that BO are making a loss over the next year. Sad times.

[graeme]

Surely the cash should be flowing in a year and a bit on?

Sponsorship cash flowed into RacetheCastles, into RedBullRobinHood, into UKEOL, into ScotJoS and is still flowing into WOC and into S6D. £1000 for junior elites is perfectly doable. There may even be stuff I don't know about

[Kitch]

Back to specialisation.

If all the best runners run all the disciplines then there is no evidence to determine whether specialisation is in fact effective.

the psychology of success and indeed failure will also be a significant factor when running multiple races

[Lard]

I thought BO had Sport England funding for such things. Hence English athletes are subsidised and by creative accounting everyone gwts subsidised. I fear that too much money Is being spent on salaries and not enough on camps & international support. Andy's very right. You work hard as an athlete and spend bucket loads getting experience and attending selection races. Tge least you'd expect is a heavily subsidised jwoc & woc personal contribution.

[Spookster]

A reminder of how sports council funding works...

Sport England: "Across England there are many different national governing bodies of sport (NGBs) who have responsibility for managing their specific sport. We recognise dozens of governing bodies and support over a hundred sports in a variety of ways to help them deliver programmes that get more people playing sport."

UK Sport: World Class Programme - "To ensure that the UK’s most talented athletes have every chance of realising their full potential, UK Sport has created the World Class Programme. The World Class Programme covers all funded summer and winter Olympic and Paralympic sports."

We (orienteering) do get Sport England funding, but it is mostly targeted at increasing participation. Some is towards JWOC, and none is towards WOC.

We used to get UK Sport funding, but no longer (since we are not an Olympic or Paralympic Sport).

The WOC team is funded wholly by BO's own funds and athlete contributions.

More details of how the funding streams work are in the Annual Report. BO put around £30k of its own funds towards Performance in 2014. That is nowhere near as much as the funding that we previously received from UK Sport.

[graeme]

The WOC team is funded wholly by BO's own funds and athlete contributions.

And, er, proceeds from a certain event

[buzz]

Back to specialisation.

If all the best runners run all the disciplines then there is no evidence to determine whether specialisation is in fact effective.

the psychology of success and indeed failure will also be a significant factor when running multiple races

Agreed on both points, but what's your view on whether athletes are likely to perform better if they run fewer disciplines at major races (senior/junior short term/long term)?

[Lard]

I think a key responsibility for any Governing body is to develop, market and support their elite athletes. That means working out how to and ensuring that our best are supported and valued. Without them we'd be a pastime not a sport. If youre a BO member and also agree that BO should be working harder to find funds to support our elites please say so on this thread!

[Arnold]

It would be interesting to know how the £1000 was arrived at, as it does sound like a lot of money.

JWOC is in Norway so not cheap. From the bulletin the rough costs are:
- entry and transport £200 to all races
- accommodation about £100 for the week depending on type
- full board another £200 (although presumably you could do it a lot cheaper yourself)

So that's £500. Then transport, with low cost flights it should be possible to get that at £150-£200 max depending on when booked. Or old school ferry.

Which still leaves another £300 unaccounted for, before we even start talking about subsidies. I'm not suggesting BOF is making money on the back of the athletes, but is £1000 really necessary?

Clearly the idea of getting some money from local grant bodies / clubs etc is a good one, but it would be nicer to start with having to find £750 rather than £1000.