Compass Sport Cup & Trophy 2014

[lindseyk]

Maybe the rules should allow for team substitutions so that if teams who qualify decide not to go to the Final, the next best team from that heat could be offered the place. Having a full turnout in the Final in each competition is surely a good thing.

[pgupnorth]

5.3.6 When a team who has qualified for the Final declines to take part the Compass Sport Coordinator, after consultation with the Compass Sport Cup Coordinating Group and the organiser of the Final, may invite the next placed team from that qualifying round to take part in the Final.

Peter
Compass Sport Cup Cordinator

[andypat]

NIcely put Peter - out of interest has that ever happened?

[lindseyk]

Thanks Peter, pleased to see the addition of this and just shows that I haven't read the 2014 rules ! I knew it wasn't in the previous version.

[Electrocuted]

Not true the the final has been pretty far south a lot recently

Yes, 2013 was in Forest of Dean, but before that was Teviothead (RR), Longshaw (DVO) and Burbage (SYO). This year Long Valley (SN) and next year The Lakes so seems like a good spread to me.

We didn't get a full team of 25 to Teviothead as its a long way from Bristol, but still went up to compete and made a weekend of it

With the exception of 2012 these are pretty far south. Look at a map of Great Britain (not England). They are all nearer the south coast than the north. As Graeme said the round trip from Edinburgh was plus 11 hours for these and similar from Glasgow.

Now add an extra 7-8 hours to that round trip and you'll see why north scotland clubs might not want to compete.

[seabird]

Only just caught up with this thread.

A few observations form comments made some way back.

SeanC recommended avoiding half-term This year's event did that for where I live, but not for all authorities hereabouts - and of course the private sector academies and free school often do their own thing.

I was amazed DVO were allowed to object to attending a venue on the grounds of it being 2 hours travel. I've attended a number of CSC heats where we have had to drive for 2 hours top get there. It must be a common occurrence in Scotland and probably in other parts of England and Wales.

Blonde Bombshell commented on the unfairness of the various routes to entry at Pateley Bridge. At the gale-swept Wednesday evening Aire event prior to the competition it was noted with some amazement that SYO, with the honourable exception of Oli Johnson, had failed to enter. (Aire had entered as individuals with excellent prompting from Carnagehead. our Captain). So there was some surprise to see a large SYO contingent at the event. But no-one in Aire is claiming it made any difference to the result, although it was close run thing. Aire would have won if only the Senior courses were taken into account - but LOC and SYO trounced us on the Junior courses. The joy and the virtue of the format.

[Sunlit Forres]

Now add an extra 7-8 hours to that round trip and you'll see why north scotland clubs might not want to compete.

At the risk of being frog-marched out of Moray, I personally don't see a problem with the N Scotland clubs being disadvantaged.

It makes sense to have the CSC final within sensible reach of the majority of the UK population, and let's face it, the orienteering community up here do have our compensations. We've even got a World Champs to look forward to on our doorsteps.

[Big Jon]

If you're frog-marched out of Moray come on down to Deeside and join in the fun here

[RanaldMacdonald]

I was amazed DVO were allowed to object to attending a venue on the grounds of it being 2 hours travel.

Just to clarify that DVO did not object to travelling two hours. We were asked for a first and second choice venue and when the first, Kinver, was not accepted, agreed to go to our second choice, Irwell Valley.

It's others who have argued we should have been prepared to travel further.

[pgupnorth]

NIcely put Peter - out of interest has that ever happened?

Andy : We have invited second placed teams in the past but they declined.

Also to reply re NIOA (an earlier post), an invite goes to them each year, LVO came over a few years back.

Peter

[LostAgain]

I was amazed DVO were allowed to object to attending a venue on the grounds of it being 2 hours travel.

Just to clarify that DVO did not object to travelling two hours. We were asked for a first and second choice venue and when the first, Kinver, was not accepted, agreed to go to our second choice, Irwell Valley.

It's others who have argued we should have been prepared to travel further.

I'm not sure others are arguing "against" DVO. More the case that a club (LOC in this case) were prevented from attending the qualifier in their region (I understand there are no regional qualifiers) whilst two clubs (DVO & NOC), not even from neighbouring regions attended. It does seem to have shown an unintended anomaly in the selection of clubs attending qualifiers.

I would hope that there was no intention that this should happen when setting up qualifiers.

[Dave]

whilst two clubs (DVO & NOC), not even from neighbouring regions attended.

You know that Derbyshire (East Midlands) borders with Cheshire and Greater Manchester (North West) right?

[LostAgain]

whilst two clubs (DVO & NOC), not even from neighbouring regions attended.

You know that Derbyshire (East Midlands) borders with Cheshire and Greater Manchester (North West) right?

No, having lived in Warrington (Cheshire) I must admit that I never considered myself living so close to W.Midlands
Yorkshire, Wales and NW obviously.

[skybluepete]

it would be great to have the final in Scotland one year. It might be necessary for several clubs to get together to organise such a big event but it might provide the quality of terrain needed for a good level A event. It would also allow the Scottish clubs a much shorter journey to the final ( although I do realise that it still could be quite long)

I'm sure Moravian or Invoc would be happy to host the CSC final in a top class forest on the Moray Coast area.

Having fed the BO ranking data (by club geography) into a Gravity Logistical Model the 'Centre of Gravity' for the UK Orienteering population is Batley (West Yorkshire).

Then the locations of the CSC Finals between 2007 and 2015 were fed into the same model and the 'Centre of Gravity' is Matlock!

So, in order to realign the Centre of Gravity the 40 miles north to Batley (the optimum position), then the 2016 Final should be in Moray.

[DM]

whilst two clubs (DVO & NOC), not even from neighbouring regions attended.

You know that Derbyshire (East Midlands) borders with Cheshire and Greater Manchester (North West) right?

No, having lived in Warrington (Cheshire) I must admit that I never considered myself living so close to W.Midlands
Yorkshire, Wales and NW obviously.

Dave (who lived in Cheshire I believe so knows his way around the regions) is 100% correct. EMOA (therefore DVO) borders NWOA., just like it borders YHOA. In fact EMOA gets dangerously close to some MDOC areas with Glossop and Buxton being Derbyshire. People in these places have a choice of which club they join.