Routegadget

[Nimby]

Are there any plans for a non-Java version of SplitsBrowser?

[Jagge]

if you don't have security slider / exception list, you need to remove old versions of java (windows control panel, "programs and features"):
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/jc ... slider.xml

Security slider protects you from yourself. It deosn't make java any more seure under te hood. All it does is controlling will those nasty pop ups show up or will it not allow running them at all. So if you can't trust yourself or the users using the computer, you are not sure they will not allow running suspicious applets and you maybe should keep it at high. Note, even if you allow running unsigned applets at suspicious sites (= you wll click "run" when if you see warning message at suspicious web site) there needs to be security hole in Java to make it possible to do somethign harmfull - unsigned applets are running in a sandbox anyway.

Anyway, If I were running routegadget uk I'd consider collecting something like 3£ per site/club and order certificate for one year and sign routegadget, splitsbrower and splizalyzer. After one year it would warn cert is old, but it would still run with default settings. To do signing in practice is no problem, I have recently updated 100 sites, so I know pretty well how the process goes and I could give step by step instructions. One would need to sign applet once and use the same applet in all sites.

[Paul Frost]

I asked the question about signing before and the suggestion was that it would need a certificate for each sub-domain, so 70+ certificates.
If you know different and can provide the step by step instruction I'd certainly consider it.

However, Java is still a problem, both from the security aspect of those that can't trust themselves, and that it won't run on what is fast becoming the largest portion of the browsing market, tablets and phones.

So signing is a short term solution that still won't resolve things for many potential users.

[Paul Frost]

Not quite a fair comparison, IMHO: updating Windows versions costs a lot of money, whereas updates to Java, Firefox, etc are free.

The common view is that those still on XP don't update many others things either. They are often locked down by system administrators on work owned computers, or the users don't know how to. I appreciate that there are a lot of tech savvy users staying on XP by choice, but using XP often prevents you from running the latest versions of stuff. For example, you can't install IE9 or later on XP even if you want to.
But I don't want to get into a flame war about operating systems, so lets leave that apart and concentrate on getting a RouteGadget that works for everyone.

[Simon E]

Are there any plans for a non-Java version of SplitsBrowser?

In theory it would be possible to add splitsbrowser functionality to RG2. All of the necessary information is already available.

I was going to discuss this with Dave Ryder (who developed Splitsbrowser) next time I see him.

[King Penguin]

Hmm I haven't updated my Win7 machine yet, but I am hoping there'll be a button
like there is on Windows XP after the java upgrade (which wasn't there before):
"Edit Site List"

JK

My machine was Windows 7 and yes, there is.

Curious - all I have on the Security tab is the slider bar, "Restore Security Prompts" button and "Manage Certificates" button. No "Edit Site List" button.

[roadrunner]

Not quite a fair comparison, IMHO: updating Windows versions costs a lot of money, whereas updates to Java, Firefox, etc are free.

The common view is that those still on XP don't update many others things either. They are often locked down by system administrators on work owned computers, or the users don't know how to. I appreciate that there are a lot of tech savvy users staying on XP by choice, but using XP often prevents you from running the latest versions of stuff. For example, you can't install IE9 or later on XP even if you want to.
But I don't want to get into a flame war about operating systems, so lets leave that apart and concentrate on getting a RouteGadget that works for everyone.

Quite so - I didn't in any way intend to do that, and certainly work computers are the worst for having out-of-date operating systems: the company where I used to work was on Windows 2000 for ages after XP came out (and I think is still on XP).

[andypat]

Urghh. Just realised what everyone is getting so uptight about. No more routegadget...

[Paul Frost]

Urghh. Just realised what everyone is getting so uptight about. No more routegadget...

Not quite true…
Some people will struggle to view routes on the original version of RG that needs Java but only if they have upgraded to the latest versions of Java.

Routegadget 2 is developing nicely and is already usable to view and draw routes. Only the person uploading new events needs to be able to run the original version.

[Paul Frost]

I've just added a new item to the RouteGadget UK site about the issues. It contains some of the info and advice from here on NopeSport and is aimed at those that don't visit NopeSport.
Java problems, Jan 2014
I'va also added some info and tutorials about RouteGadget 2 that is being developed by Simon Errington.

[drobin]

After updating to java (51) then reading nopesport I too found I had lost RG. However, after a restore back to the previous java, and then uninstalling it and then installing the latest version and changing the security to medium, RG is now wonderfully recovered!
I wonder if removing the old java before loading the new one is the answer?

I'm on windows vista (2009) with IE9.

[usuallylast]

Paul Frost's info is very useful - thanks. I would just like to add that my Win 7 control panel didn't show an obvious way to alter java security settings, but typing java into the search box brought up a link straight away, and then it's just a matter of choosing the security tab and changing the settings there. I'm just noting this in case anyone can't find it easily.

[usuallylast]

I'm just noting this in case anyone can't find it easily.

I'm also noting that I must use the word just less often

[andypat]

Paul
When I tried to add the site to the accepted site list it wouldnt allow me - says it has to be an https site. Am I looking at the wrong bit or does it depend whose rg site you are trying to view (ESOCs in this instance)

[usuallylast]

Am I looking at the wrong bit or does it depend whose rg site you are trying to view (ESOCs in this instance)

strange - I copied and pasted the ESOC link from RG UK into the site exceptions list and was able to override the blocking, so it's not an https thing as far as I can tell