The 6 Days has to please so many different orienteers and, clearly, orienteering is evolving. sadly, evolving means, in most case, dumbing down.
If the 6 days continues to host 6 longish days of orienteering I won't be entering all 6 days - I can't survive! (And I'm towards the top end of my age group results).
I'd prefer to see 6 forest races but perhaps two middles rather than all 6 long.
Folk who want to do urban can do so on the rest day (yep, push off!)
Using 4 the day total for scoring allows people to consider skipping tough areas or grotty ones and also for 2015 the WOC programme and what they'd like to get out of that.
I want to be competitive in my age class but in 2015 I want to see the WOC action as a priority.
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Re: Highland 2015 - Scottish 6 Days Programme released
JK wrote:andypat wrote:...
I'd like to offer an alternative hypothesis - when you offer a middle distance race on a really grotty area, people wont like it so much.
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So if there was a really grotty area you'd prefer a long rather than middle distance in it?
Come on JK you are better than that misinterpretation!
I was of course challenging Graeme's assumptions in his previous post. Essentially i was suggesting that the reason people seemed to have less support for having a middle distance race plus an urban race in future CROESO, in comparison to just an urban race, might have had more to do with the quality of the middle distance area/map at that specific event, than to any issue people have with middle distance races in general.
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So if there was a really grotty area I'd prefer to do an urban instead![/quote]
and you can quote me on that!
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Re: Highland 2015 - Scottish 6 Days Programme released
andypat wrote:JK wrote:andypat wrote:...
I'd like to offer an alternative hypothesis - when you offer a middle distance race on a really grotty area, people wont like it so much.
Wales 1 - Scotland 1
So if there was a really grotty area you'd prefer a long rather than middle distance in it?
Come on JK you are better than that misinterpretation!
I was of course challenging Graeme's assumptions in his previous post. Essentially i was suggesting that the reason people seemed to have less support for having a middle distance race plus an urban race in future CROESO, in comparison to just an urban race, might have had more to do with the quality of the middle distance area/map at that specific event, than to any issue people have with middle distance races in general.
So if there was a really grotty area I'd prefer to do an urban instead![/quote]
and you can quote me on that![/quote]
I thought that was your point, but in my opinion, the main issue with the Croeso Middle race was the quality of the map rather than the area. I like a good tough area as long it's fair. I didn't think that race was.
I think I'm with the majority here: one or two Middle Distance races great, but Urban races, no thanks!
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andypat wrote:I was of course challenging Graeme's assumptions in his previous post.
I confess to assuming that people were answering the question they were asked, i.e.
"A future Croeso should ..."
You may be right that they were actually answering a different question.
But it would be risky to draw conclusions on the assumption that you know exactly which different question they were answering.
any issue people have with middle distance races in general
What I find most telling is how many urban races are appearing in the calendar, from the grassroots, compared with "sprint" and "middle" which are driven from above - mainly relying on the captive audience of BOCs and JKs.
Individual opinions vary: my preference is for a traditional 90 min long on a map I can actually see (i.e. seldom available). The Croeso survey covers a much better sample (with an obvious bias towards people who like what it was offering!). But the best guide is looking at what is actually happening spontaneously in the sport.
What's popular with elites may not be for everyone: it's no coincidence that alongside the WRE and PWT elite sprints, Race the Castles features public urban races. I firmly believe that we're offering the best possible format for both groups. It will be interesting to see how the entry for Forvie splits between relay and middle.
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That might depend on the length of the relay courses.
I remember the planner for this relay event http://www.scottish-orienteering.org/championships/scottish-championships-2011 having to explain in some detail why everyone was taking so long...
Any chance its a mixed sprint relay on Forvie?
I remember the planner for this relay event http://www.scottish-orienteering.org/championships/scottish-championships-2011 having to explain in some detail why everyone was taking so long...

Any chance its a mixed sprint relay on Forvie?
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No worries: even if all the trees blow down in Forvie, it wont slow you down!
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Coasts and Islands (Shetland)
SprintScotland https://sprintscotland.weebly.com/
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graeme wrote:No worries: even if all the trees blow down in Forvie, it wont slow you down!
Agreed, but high winds might change the contours.........
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Sounds like a dodgy mappers excuse that one - "the wind made the re-entrant disappear" 

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Walking along the beach at Roseisle yesterday suggests Big Jon has a valid point. Another 2metres of dune has disappeared.
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Roomungous wrote:Walking along the beach at Roseisle yesterday suggests Big Jon has a valid point. Another 2metres of dune has disappeared.
Mapping of Roseisle for Moray 2013 showed the extent of movement of the coastline - several places had 10-15m removed - enough to remove significant features.
Culbin for BOC 2008 the north edge of the dunes near the NE tip were up to 50m further south compared to the 1960's photos used for the plot - and some places in the Findhorn estuary had 50-60m new growth - swings and round-abouts!
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Big Jon wrote: swings and round-abouts!
Ahhhhhh urban!
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Re: Highland 2015 - Scottish 6 Days Programme released
Going back to the original topic, we are pleased to announce that Day 3 of the Scottish 6 Days 2015 will be a Middle Distance Race for the appropriate classes.
Fac et Spera. Views expressed are not necessarily those of the Scottish 6 Days Assistant Coordinator
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I think thats a good idea.
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Re: Highland 2015 - Scottish 6 Days Programme released
"The appropriate classes" being
a) those which aren't anyway won in less than 35 minutes, or
b) only the Elites
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a) those which aren't anyway won in less than 35 minutes, or
b) only the Elites
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