Club Competitions Finals (CSC/CST)

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Previous thread:
http://forum.nopesport.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13630&hilit=CompassSport+CSC+CST

Healthy looking Start List and Final Details:
http://www.pgopage.co.uk/compasssportcup.htm

The Forest of Dean is the location for the finals of the CompassSport Cup and Trophy this Sunday 20th October 2013. Will it be close for the win on each course and the team prizes?

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In the Cup a club's score is the sum of the best 25 runners individual scores. There are 10 classes, 2 in which a club may count up to 6 (the open class and the second men's class), 4 in which they may count up to 4 (the women's open, the second women's class, the third men's class (60+), and the vets (W60+/M75+)) and 4 which are in looked at in pairs with up to 4 in each pair (the junior courses.)

Last weekend Sweden saw its 25 person team competition which has a very different format. You may have read they are still sorting things out after system problems, but they had a record turnout of nearly 10,000. Our Cup Final has 400 runners, with 300 in the Trophy final.

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In the CompassSport Cup nine clubs qualified for the final and seven are sending teams. Whilst in qualifying rounds it is possible for clubs to win without scoring in some classes, this would be unusual in the final, so a quick analysis largely based on numbers may do.

AIRE. Last year's winners Airienteers are not bringing such a large team as they took to Scotland for their comfortable win last year. Those attending are spread across the classses but there must be a few gaps that the larger teams will show. I'm thinking they're attending to support the event and have a day out more than to defend the Cup. Possible 4th with their strong individuals, although SO and LOC have larger teams.

BOK. Bristol are turning out a colossal team of well over a hundred runners for this local occasion. And they are know to have been focussing on this since it appeared in the calendar. Expect them to do better than before in the juniors, as well as in the classes they are known for. They are also favourites for the men's open, and may do well with their large entry on the women's open too. Generally they seem to be close to full strength, and seem the most likely winners.

CLOK. The Cleveland team is incomplete, and seem likely to therefore finish 7th.

DVO. Derwent Valley caused the shock of the tournament when they won their qualifying match against South Yorkshire - who had a massive overall win in 2011 - at Fineshade Woods. Well organised and looking forward to the grand day out, they are bringing the second biggest team to the final. How well can they do? Probably well in the senior classes, but they may not be so strong in the open and junior classes despite numbers. Probably hoping for 3rd.

LOC. Regular finalists Lakeland, last year's runners up, will enjoy their day out and have juniors and oldies, but don't look very strong in the open classes. Probable 5th, but good runs could see them to 4th or even 3rd.

OD. Other regular finalists Octavian Droobers have a short trip down the M5 and have a large and well-balanced team. They will contest the Cup with Bristol, but although they will win several classes I think the local team will put pressure on across all the classes sufficient to prevail. It might even be decided in the juniors. I suggest 2nd.

SO. 12th in last year's final, a long way from home, Southdowners are strong on the three senior green courses, but may not do so well elsewhere - 6th.

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One of the decisions a team has is whether to run good 20's on the open class or the second class (against the over 45s.) Of course they invariably get to the top of the second class barring a big accident. OD have Will Gardner, the top-ranked runner in the Cup Final - he is not running up. The second ranked is Peter Bray of CLOK, who is running up, although with the CLOK team not being complete it won't be tactical consideration. It will be interesting to see how close in this fast terrain he is to Doug Tullie running for Roxburgh Rievers in the Trophy Final.

It is less a question with 18's, as there is the question of the right distance for younger athletes, but in their case they have the choice of the longer junior course on light green, as well as the open or second courses. OD's Julie Emmerson is the highest ranked female athlete attending this year (in the absence of LOC's Hollie Orr and OD's Riina Kuuselo) and is, like Will, entered on the second course.

[Lard]

Can the furthest travelled, smallest team achieve their usual greatness?!?

GO FVO!!!

[ba-ba]

Best wishes to all racing at the CSC/CST finals on Sunday.

but don't look very strong in the open classes

The British Fell (FRA) relays, being held Sunday in Llanberis, will no doubt rob a few clubs of runners, especially on the Senior/<V50 courses (despite now being the closest CLOK member to the CSC final after a recent move, I'm heading to N. Wales). The weekend often clashes but the same day is quite unlucky

[The Loofa]

2 teams qualified but not going!! To save me the effort of looking it up, can somebody say who (and perhaps also why)

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I thank ba-ba for post about clash with FRA relays. That'll be an event where you rank the teams based on a mass start and people running in turn I suppose, like 25manna.

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My earlier post mentioned three of this year's GB JWOC runners who will be with their clubs tomorrow. A fourth, BOK's Adam Potter (profiled in this week's Focus Magazine), is running light green.

[NeilC]

Unfortunately our JWOC runner has opted to run the FRA relays for Dark Peak instead. I'm still confident of beating WCOC and MAROC though.

[Spookster]

Well done BOK and FVO! Both won fairly comfortably.

CS Cup results

CS Trophy results

[graeme]

(and perhaps also why)

It may be hard to know in March who'll be available in October.
We (INT) knew that there was no way we'd raise a team so far away and spurned the qualifier. I'm delighted to see that RR not only took "our" place in the final, but "our" 2nd place on the leaderboard.

Next year, however...

[Wendles]

Thankyou to everyone involved in today's competition. We very much enjoyed the forest and the courses.

Some photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wendles56/sets/72157636766138854/
As per usual, feel free to download them. If they are to be used in newsletters etc I would appreciate a credit. If you would like me to remove any photos, please let me know on wendy.carlyle@btinternet.com

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Congratulations to Forth Valley and Roxburgh Rievers for the Scottish 1-2 in the Trophy Final.

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Many congratulations to Bristol on their comprehensive win in the Cup, and to them and the other four clubs who qualified and turned out in numbers sufficient for a full complement of counting runners. Octavian Droobers were a clear second, and Lakeland a clear third.

The maximum score possible is 2460. Presenting the result as differences from this maximum to give a better idea of the gaps:
1. BOK, 127 pts.
2. OD, 258 pts.
3. LOC, 341 pts.
4. DVO, 463 pts.
5. SO, 552 pts.

It's tempting to say it's all about location, as it seems the further a club is asked to travel the smaller its team gets, and on the day attendance may indeed have decided 2nd, as OD (4th last year) had a much easier journey than LOC (2nd last year.)

But that's not the whole picture. Sure BOK had a colossal turnout, but if we look at how their score was made up we see, as is usual, that they had scorers in all 10 classes. But their profile is significantly different, with their win founded on a full complement of eight scorers in the junior classes, team wins in both the men's open and second men's classes, and a tied win in the women's open. The classes that mattered least to them were the green men and the short green vets, classes in which every other team had more counters - with LOC particularly strong on green men and DVO particularly strong on green vets. LOC also won the women's green class. In a sense whilst the other clubs all take points off each other in the older senior classes, BOK made hay in the junior and open classes. Which you can only say is good for the sport.

OD put in a sound all round performance, with the highlight probably being the older juniors class.

LOC did very well in the veteran classes and the younger juniors, but were weakest of the five in the open classes. That may be down to distance and date - I wonder if they lost runners to the FRA relays?

DVO, like BOK, had counters in every class, and had the second highest number of counting juniors - well done for a fine 2013 campaign.

SO scored reasonably across all six senior classes and had three counters on light green men, to take them ahead of half the other teams that qualified for the final.

And what fortune did the JWOC runners we mentioned earlier find:

Peter Bray (CLOK) won the Cup's Brown class, and was three minutes slower (59 vs 56) than Doug Tullie (RR), overall course winner.

Will Gardner (OD) won the Blue Men's class. (Well done indeed to Clive Hallett (M50, BOK) for getting amongst the four juniors at the top of this class.)

Julie Emmerson (OD) won the Green Women's class.

And Adam Potter was second on the Light Green - a "scalp" there to Matthew Elkington (OD)!

[RS]

"LOC did very well in the veteran classes and the younger juniors, but were weakest of the five in the open classes. That may be down to distance and date - I wonder if they lost runners to the FRA relays?"

Yes. Hollie Orr, Jack Wright, Todd Oates, Rhys Findlay-Robinson, Mike McIver...