BOF results puzzle
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BOF results puzzle
Why do my results and ranking points for some (and not other) events get attributed to my son on the BOF website? The results on the club website is always accurate. I have double checked my account on the BOF website. My son has never used or been associated with the e-card I use. I have been in touch with the SportIdent people and they say they have resolved a likely error in the database. One club kindly resubmitted their results but my sons name refused to budge? Any ideas?
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Re: BOF results puzzle
tomgood wrote:Why do my results and ranking points for some (and not other) events get attributed to my son on the BOF website? The results on the club website is always accurate. I have double checked my account on the BOF website. My son has never used or been associated with the e-card I use. I have been in touch with the SportIdent people and they say they have resolved a likely error in the database. One club kindly resubmitted their results but my sons name refused to budge? Any ideas?
It's your BOF number that determines who gets listed in the results and given the ranking points. If results are being submitted with your name and e-card, but with your son's BOF number, then your son will be listed in the BOF results and get the points.
So the thing you need to investigate is why some clubs are submitting results with an incorrect BOF number for you.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
this happened earlier in the year with Alan Cherry, Tom Fellbaum and their respective sisters getting confused. I presume in families BOF#s are consecutive so easily confused. Situation easily rectified if you drop an email to the organiser a few days after they go up.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
It can sometimes happen if you use each others ecards.
The entry system might correct the name associated with the entry thus appear correct on the clubs published results - but not the BOF number which is used for the ranking system.
The entry system might correct the name associated with the entry thus appear correct on the clubs published results - but not the BOF number which is used for the ranking system.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
This might explain the difference in the JIRC's results from the weekend;
On the Wimborne Results for W16 3rd is Lucy Haines and 19th is Gemma Cair Smith
On the BOF site for W16 3rd is Florence Haines and 19th is Helen Elkington both with YOBs meaning they are W20's!
On the Wimborne Results for W16 3rd is Lucy Haines and 19th is Gemma Cair Smith
On the BOF site for W16 3rd is Florence Haines and 19th is Helen Elkington both with YOBs meaning they are W20's!
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Re: BOF results puzzle
Spookster wrote:So the thing you need to investigate is why some clubs are submitting results with an incorrect BOF number for you.
The most likely cause of clubs submitting results with the incorrect BOF number is that people give the wrong BOF number or/and use another member of the families card. The names might get corrected if noticed at download, but the BOF number can get missed in the rush to fix it and move on to the next competitor.
Having recently helped with results and then uploaded results onto the BOF system I discovered several instances of the above and needed to do some detective work to track down the correct info. The SPORTident competitor archive is useful for this, as you can open it in Excel and search on names and numbers. But not everyone updates their records in a timely fashion.
After that experience I thought about posting a new thread here about the importance of using the correct card and BOF number but never got around to it.
It's a good idea to go to the SPORTident site and check the card archive to make sure that your name and card number are correct if you want to reduce the chance of these errors in future.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
Thanks all. Issue is now resolved. I recall not filling in BOF number as I did not have it to hand (having lost my old membership card and not printing out the new e-mailed one) my son's number seems to have been picked up by default - he is first entry on our family membership although numbers are by no means consecutive. Results from one event have be resubmitted and name and points awarded accordingly.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
Its certainly no picnic trying to sort out the errors.
Happy wrote
I've now fixed this discrepancy after a bit of detective work.
Interestingly,because the results/ranking system works by looking up BOF membership numbers, all competitors at the JIRCS now appear in the BOF results under their club name, rather than for the region which they were representing, except those who don't seem to be BOF members
, who still have their regions showing.
Most of the (admittedly minor) problems the results team experienced at download at the JIRCS was because we were fed duff information by team managers, usually because competitors had forgotten to tell their TM's that they had upgraded or changed their SI cards.
Despite pointing this out to competitors on Saturday, most of them did the same thing to us on Sunday at the relays.

Happy wrote
This might explain the difference in the JIRC's results from the weekend;
I've now fixed this discrepancy after a bit of detective work.
Interestingly,because the results/ranking system works by looking up BOF membership numbers, all competitors at the JIRCS now appear in the BOF results under their club name, rather than for the region which they were representing, except those who don't seem to be BOF members

Most of the (admittedly minor) problems the results team experienced at download at the JIRCS was because we were fed duff information by team managers, usually because competitors had forgotten to tell their TM's that they had upgraded or changed their SI cards.
Despite pointing this out to competitors on Saturday, most of them did the same thing to us on Sunday at the relays.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
PICNIC or as I rephrase it: The weakest point in any computer system is the bit between chair and keyboard!
I suspect in this case though it sounds like a combination of a) not entering the BOF number and b) some systems grabbing a "nearby" number when one isn't present.
JK
I suspect in this case though it sounds like a combination of a) not entering the BOF number and b) some systems grabbing a "nearby" number when one isn't present.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
It not a matter of who is sitting in the chair, if the input information they are given by the competitor is wrong the output will be wrong.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
Unless there was a check built into the system, of course.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
I have had exactly this problem several times. Sometimes competitors give wrong BOF number, we might notice and correct the name at input stage but don't remove the number. Others give no number but the SI card is registered to someone else. Sometimes we make mistakes inputting (not surprising in a windy tent with temperature hovering around freezing).
It is unfortunate that the import to the BOF results system doesn't cross check surname with the number but takes the number as gospel. Given the number that have been shown to be wrong makes the whole ranking system a bit suspect. The other major improvement would be if members corrected the SI card numbers recorded on the BOF database. The SI archive is fine for going from SI number to look up BOF number, but going the other way then the single number recorded on the BOF database becomes vital as the SI archive can have several cards recorded over the years to the same person as people rarely go back to mark them as lost etc.
If we knew the database was reliable we could stop typing in details for all but the hired cards but we don't then know till download whether a given card is registered correctly and correcting it then means everyone else queuing to download.
It is unfortunate that the import to the BOF results system doesn't cross check surname with the number but takes the number as gospel. Given the number that have been shown to be wrong makes the whole ranking system a bit suspect. The other major improvement would be if members corrected the SI card numbers recorded on the BOF database. The SI archive is fine for going from SI number to look up BOF number, but going the other way then the single number recorded on the BOF database becomes vital as the SI archive can have several cards recorded over the years to the same person as people rarely go back to mark them as lost etc.
If we knew the database was reliable we could stop typing in details for all but the hired cards but we don't then know till download whether a given card is registered correctly and correcting it then means everyone else queuing to download.
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Re: BOF results puzzle
Perhaps someone can help. My wife gave up Orienteering years ago
and her SI card is now used by various friends, children, grandchildren etc. No matter how many times we tell the entry people, she always has her name in the results. Can I de-register her name from the card 


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Re: BOF results puzzle
deebee wrote:Perhaps someone can help. My wife gave up Orienteering years agoand her SI card is now used by various friends, children, grandchildren etc. No matter how many times we tell the entry people, she always has her name in the results. Can I de-register her name from the card
I would think you can do this through the SI website
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