Rome 2013

[mikey]

Think I might give 2014 WOC public races a miss. (although there were none of these issues at Highland 2011 (also at Asiago) where the few Brits there just turned up and ran.

[madmike]

Think I might give 2014 WOC public races a miss. (although there were none of these issues at Highland 2011 (also at Asiago) where the few Brits there just turned up and ran.

I know, in fact, last year, Big Jon and family ran on part of the same map I am planning on, there was also a Spanish girl and a few Norwegians, none of whom were asked for a medical certificate - it beggars beleif but we are where we are......................

[denbydale]

Must be honest - wishing now I'd entered Salisbury & November Classic.

How does the Venice race and PWT tours manage to accept entries without medical certificates?

[Jayne]

Mike - thanks for your reply. Must say I've doing Daniele really helpful we're just getting confused by different messages!

So, can I just check (before I email our entrants) that we just need a medical cert. signed by a doctor such as we'd do for French races but not a full medical inc. ECG etc.

My guess is for PWT and Venice no one has ever realised that non-Italian competitors would need medical certificates, or if they have not bothered to ask for them.

Feel your pain over the planning - nightmare!

Jayne

[Barny]

Stogetta

Could you explain what exactly this form is that the doctor signs and where we find it so that we can take it to a doctor

Then I presume we turn up with it on the day?

Thanks

Barny

[deebee]

I'm not going to Rome (where's the smug emoticon?) but, according to the FRA website, if one is taking part in an athletic event 'abroad' one can use one's English Athletics membership card instead of a 'fitness to race' letter/certificate. Cannot the BritO membership card work the same magic?

[nooomember]

All entrants, or 'club leaders', as far as I am aware, have received the forms via email.
The doctors form should look like this:
Attachment 1
MEDICAL CERTIFICATE OF FITNESS FOR
COMPETITIVE * SPORTS
PLEASE USE BLOCK LETTERS ONLY
I, Doctor (name, surname) ________________________________________
with office at (complete address)
_____________________________________________________________
Phone number _________________________________________________
declare myself fully responsible and acknowledge the consequences for
falsely declaring that
Mr./Mrs. (name/surname) ________________________________________
born (city, country) ______________________________________________
on (dd/mm/yyyy) ___________________ and resident at (complete address)
_____________________________________________________________
based on a sport physical exam done by me on (dd/mm/yyyy) ____________
is in good health and fit to compete in a competitive orienteering race
according to current laws.
This certificate is valid one year from this date.
Date ____________ Doctor’s signature and stamp ___________________
IN THE LACK OF THIS CERTIFICATE THE ATHLETE WILL NOT BE ADMITTED TO THE RACES.
Complete and return by email to: docs@rome2013.net within Saturday 26th Oct.
Deliver the original certificate duly signed and stamped to the event center between 12.00 and 15.00 on
Friday 1st Nov.
The medical examinations required (ex D.M. 18 febbraio 1982) to obtain a medical certificate of fitness for
competitive sport program are:
1. Medical-sports check-up;
2. A regular urine test;
3. Electrocardiogram both at rest and exercise;
4. Spirometry (breathing test).
* Competitive Categories: M/W 14, 16, 18, 21Senior, 21K, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65

The check-up, urine test, ECG plus spirometry could cost £300!

[roadrunner]

I'm not going to Rome (where's the smug emoticon?) but, according to the FRA website, if one is taking part in an athletic event 'abroad' one can use one's English Athletics membership card instead of a 'fitness to race' letter/certificate. Cannot the BritO membership card work the same magic?

Have you got a link for that, please, as I can't find it; I think several of my running friends would be interested.

[mikey]

At least in France they let you run out of competition without a medical certificate.

Isn't it about time BO started work on some reciprocal arrangements?

[deebee]

Roadrunner - go on to FRA website, click on FRA then on to England Athletics

[denbydale]

I'm not going to Rome (where's the smug emoticon?) but, according to the FRA website, if one is taking part in an athletic event 'abroad' one can use one's English Athletics membership card instead of a 'fitness to race' letter/certificate. Cannot the BritO membership card work the same magic?

I have an English Athletics card - will the Italian orienteering authority accept this in lieu of a medical certificate?

[Jayne]

I'm not sure why you should feel smug not to be going to Rome, by all accounts the races look set to be great, just unfortunately mean going through the pain of Italian bureaucracy. Worse case scenario we still get a trip to Rome.

I think an arrangement of using membership of BOF rather like England Athletics membership mentioned was what something like what was originally agreed (hence having a form to confirm BOF membership), but since membership doesn't require any sort of medical certification it has now turned out this isn't enough (for the reasons Mike gives earlier on.)

Noomember - thanks for attaching the form. I do have this, but given that the goalposts have changed since the original email was sent I just wanted to double check before emailing my club members - and looking at Stodgetta's post I think the WMOC form was just like the one we've used for France i.e. just a Doctor's signature.

[Spookster]

So, unfortunately, I think we will now have to do the same as people had to do at WMOC i.e get a certificate signed by a doctor (see Stodgetta's post earlier in the thread). Daniele should be clarifying all this by email if he hasn't already.

If, however, you have submitted a certificate for WMOC, if I were you I would take the line I am not paying twice, I gave it in to Italains at WMOC, you find it. The rest of you non WMOCers are going to have to roll over and play dead and get a certificate - I am so sorry about this.

The form required by participants in WMOC is linked from here. At least this form is far less onerous than the medical form currently circulated to Rome2013 team leaders for completion, which requires a list of specific tests, rather than a more general statement about fitness to competitively orienteer on the WMOC form.

But regardless of that, I think the next thing to do is wait for official clarification from Daniele.

[DJM]

I'm not going to Rome, but I did have a lot to do with modifying the Medical Certificate required for this year's Italian WMOC. If it's the case that the certificate is similar to that used in Sestriere, then it's very straightforward. A doctor just has to sign a piece of paper which declares that:

According to the results of medical check-ups and examinations, xxxx is currently healthy and fit to participate in competitive orienteering events and in particular World Master Orienteering Championship 2013 (2 -10 August 2013).

Some GPs complied without fuss (or charge), but not all ...

[Jayne]

I've happily had GPs sign something like this for O in France:
http://www.scottish-orienteering.org/do ... teForm.pdf

but bit concerned about this bit

After all the examinations required is healthy and physically fit to compete during the
World Masters Games Torino 2013 for the sport __________________________________________
IMP: The medical examinations required (ex D.M. 18 febbraio 1982) to obtain a medical certificate
of fitness for competitive sports added in Torino 2013 World Masters Games sport program are:
1. Medical-sports check-up;
2. A regular urine test;
3. Electrocardiogram both at rest and exercise;
4. Spirometry (breathing test).o 198"

as it seems to still require the tests.

So, best plan to go to GP and see what they say, or get a nice friendly medically qualified orienteer to sign, or to put any random stamp on it and assume nobody will ever look?

and yes, I think I'll just hold off until I've got something more official.