Daughter No.1 is at Edinburgh University and was a member of EUOC and RR. She was asked to enter events under EUOC so contacted BO to make EUOC her first club which has resulted in her being removed from RR on the BO list and charged for a new membership.
When our club secretary contacted BO to get her reinstated as a RR member he was informed that "It is only possible to be a member of one club through British Orienteering" and that "Any other secondary clubs that you join are arranged through the club directly".
More importantly he was informed that "You can therefore only run for one club competitively" which will surely have a major effect on anyone wanting to run in the Compass Sport Cup/Trophy or Relays for their club or uni dependant on which is their first club!
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Re: Closed and open clubs
Someone is talking rubbish - the answer is on this thread:
http://forum.nopesport.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12966&hilit=goodbye&start=30
Issue is BOF cannot record 2 clubs on their database after it was "upgraded" your Daughter can run for EUOC and RR
http://forum.nopesport.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12966&hilit=goodbye&start=30
Issue is BOF cannot record 2 clubs on their database after it was "upgraded" your Daughter can run for EUOC and RR
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Re: Closed and open clubs
On this issue BOF bring themselves into disrepute more than any other as I understand it. At least at the time this happened there was a democratic committee who oversaw the rules. By this action BOF unilateraly and without the agreement or will of the membership changed the rules overnight.
Many people simply ignored the BOF membership cards as the rules stated that you were able to run for one open and one closed club.
BOF removed the ability to officially register for 2 clubs through not giving the correct specification to their programmers, and to save face
invented the new rule that is being spouted at you Reiver.
Many people simply ignored the BOF membership cards as the rules stated that you were able to run for one open and one closed club.
BOF removed the ability to officially register for 2 clubs through not giving the correct specification to their programmers, and to save face

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Re: Closed and open clubs
Email or speak to Mike Hamilton
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Re: Closed and open clubs
Yes, but why should you have to speak to the Chief Exec over what should be a simple administrative issue?
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Re: Closed and open clubs
Ant W wrote:Yes, but why should you have to speak to the Chief Exec over what should be a simple administrative issue?
Because the few times I've had simple administrative issues I've ended up speaking to him and he has solved them.
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Re: Closed and open clubs
That's not the point. If one had a simple administrative issue with an organisation one would expect it could be dealt with without having to go to the top.
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Re: Closed and open clubs
mharky wrote:That's not the point. If one had a simple administrative issue with an organisation one would expect it could be dealt with without having to go to the top.
but surely if someone has got it so clearly wrong then going to the top is the best way of both getting it resolved and outlining that there is still a problem?
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Re: Closed and open clubs
precisely. That's why I get a reply from Bill Gates every time I send an error report after a program crashes.
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Re: Closed and open clubs
Actually I think Andy is probably right here - Miike Hamilton should be made aware that this is still an issue. But it shouldn't be necessary to get him involved every time.
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Re: Closed and open clubs
without being overdramatic , one of the big issues appears to be retaining people when they go off to University. As the majority of closed clubs are connected to universities this issue is directly related and is therefore important enough to be sorted at the highest level if that is what is needed, If it cn be sorted at a lower level then they should do so before MH needs to be involved
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Re: Closed and open clubs
Can someone explain how the closed/open club rule works.
As I understand you can be a member of both, eg after being a member of an open club, juniors go to uni & where they join their closed club. They can still run for both clubs.
But if your ‘local’ club is a closed club can you join any open club in the country?
Surely you should only be able to join the nearest (neighbouring) open club.
The JK showed an interesting entry.
An individual ran for a closed club on days 1. 2 & 3 before running for an open club in the relays. As the closed club had few members this seems fair enough except the open club is 180 miles from where they live and there doesn’t seem to be any other connection.
Is this allowed?
Is it the individual ‘pot-hunting’ or the open club desperate to win relay titles?
Could the individual run in the CSC for the open club?
Is this fair? How do their opponents feel about this?
As I understand you can be a member of both, eg after being a member of an open club, juniors go to uni & where they join their closed club. They can still run for both clubs.
But if your ‘local’ club is a closed club can you join any open club in the country?
Surely you should only be able to join the nearest (neighbouring) open club.
The JK showed an interesting entry.
An individual ran for a closed club on days 1. 2 & 3 before running for an open club in the relays. As the closed club had few members this seems fair enough except the open club is 180 miles from where they live and there doesn’t seem to be any other connection.
Is this allowed?
Is it the individual ‘pot-hunting’ or the open club desperate to win relay titles?
Could the individual run in the CSC for the open club?
Is this fair? How do their opponents feel about this?
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Re: Closed and open clubs
The choice of club is entirely up to the individual. There is no requirement to join your "local" club ie the one correlating to your postal address.
Consider BOF members living abroad. They join a club in the UK.
I don't recall ever seeing closed clubs in the CSC. I suspect the CSC is for open clubs only.
Consider BOF members living abroad. They join a club in the UK.
I don't recall ever seeing closed clubs in the CSC. I suspect the CSC is for open clubs only.
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Re: Closed and open clubs
Blonde bombshell wrote:Can someone explain how the closed/open club rule works
At the moment, as discussed, it doesn't

The way it is supposed to work is as follows:
you can join any open club you want (if they'll have you

and likewise you can join as many closed clubs as you are eligible for (if they'll have you) but again you can only be competitive for one of them at a time
You can be competitive for an open and a closed club at the same time - so e.g. you can run the individual JK for RR and then be part of an EUOC relay team.
BOF only ever cared about which clubs you were competitive for, which were written on your membership card...but unfortunately keeping track of two clubs per individual was beyond the capability of their "upgraded" computer system, so now they have no effective way of keeping track of who's competitive for whom, leading to the rules bodge quoted by Madmike
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Re: Closed and open clubs
mappingmum wrote:I don't recall ever seeing closed clubs in the CSC. I suspect the CSC is for open clubs only.
The CSC rules seem to have disappeared from the BOF website, but I have an old version dated Jan 2011 which includes the following
1.2.1 All clubs affiliated to British Orienteering may enter the CompassSport Cup or the CompassSport Trophy.
Hovever, the format of the CSC (regional heats, and the need for a range of age groups) doesn't favour closed clubs
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