White Rose

[seabird]

Shame that one small minded member of the organising team insisted that two 'very early' start times did not merit a competitive run for the overall competition. He seemed particularly unconcernced that such a decision might contravene one of the fundamental BOF rules, giving the impression that BOF rules don't apply to the White Rose.

" BOF Rule 1.5.1 The spirit of fairness and good fellowship shall be the guiding principle in all aspects of the sport.... "

We've had this one before with the WR. It's not "a small minded member". It''s the club's policy. I was similarly barred a few years ago from receiving a WR prize (not that getting a podium position was ever a reality) by requesting and being given two very early starts - I like to get away from events early, and do something else with the day.

Last time we concluded that in terms of presenting prizes it is the club's right to determine their own rules - whatever misplaced logic may be behind them. In this case they insist on balanced start times. It was clearly stated in the details of the competition.

I gather the rule was introduced as one regular "winner" was repeatedly requesting 2 late starts, which was, reasonably, felt to contravene Rule 1.5.1. The implications for those with 2 early starts is, I guess, a case of the rule of unintended consequences.

Any rate thanks EBOR for a thrououghly enjoyable WR - even if Day 2 left me battered, bruised and exhausted!

[LostAgain]

Having a late start on course Short Blue, i was asked if i could run up to Blue, as they had run out of maps! and i was not last to start. Of course I obliged has there were no other options this being the shortest course from this start. But if i had been lucky enough to being expecting a podium place, then i would not now be eligible or unable to compete at this course.

But you were on the start list for the blue on both days - in the results for the blue both days and even made it on to the podium - so what on earth are you talking about?

Check-mate!

[buzz]

[quote="seabirdWe've had this one before with the WR. It's not "a small minded member". It''s the club's policy. [/quote]

Fair enough I hesitate to call the whole club small minded as I spoke to a number of EBOR members who thought the spirit of the rule should prevail.

North Yorkshire forests are always going to 'track up' giving an advantage to late starters unless there are freak weather conditions on both days. It would be great if EBOR could include the 'spirit of fairness and good fellowship' in their club policy and allow a bit more flexibility on the weekend.

[AndyC]

I'll point out that I have been in Yorkshire woodland where early starters (well first dozen) had an advantage because the tracks cut up so badly as to become a quagmire making the undergrowth (and that was knee deep) actually the quicker route.
BTB what does the rule say about someone who asks for two "middle" times?

[frostbite]

What the White Rose website says is

Your start times should be “balanced” across the two days. In other words, if you have an early start on one day, then you should have a late start on the other – and vice versa. If you adhere to your pre-allotted start times, you will be competitive. We will setting start times as follows:

VERY EARLY – from 10.30 to 11.22
EARLY – from 11.23 to 12.15
LATE – from 12.16 to 13.07
VERY LATE – from 13.08 to 14.00

This is a bit ambiguous. You would think an Early would be balanced with a Late and a Very Early with a Very Late, but I was allocated a Late on the first day and a Very Early on the second day - and I got a prize so I must have been within the rules.

Presumably an Early and a Very Late are also ok, so start times of 12.15 and 14.00 would be allowed.

Having a later start time was definitely an advantage.

[Wendles]

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[follyfoot]

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[Mrs H]

Follyfoot assures me he is not who I think he is and is not even an orienteer - I am full of admiration of him for taking on the short blue let alone the blue at the White Rose - how did you get on Follyfoot?

......anyway - monkey, organ grinder - the sound comes out the same

[Marian]

Oooh Follyfoot - couldn't resist the challenge. There are only two people listed on Fabian as entering Short Blue who are in the results for Blue on Saturday.

We gave one of them a lift back to Birmingham and they mentioned this fact in general discussion - I'll give up red wine for a year if they turn out to be you! We also know the other comeptitor well enough for me to turn tee total if that's who you are.

Prompting a discussion about this mishap is one thing - pretending to be a victim and thus potentially incriminating others is rather different.

[LostAgain]

Follyfoot assures me he is not who I think he is and is not even an orienteer - I am full of admiration of him for taking on the short blue let alone the blue at the White Rose - how did you get on Follyfoot?

......anyway - monkey, organ grinder - the sound comes out the same

For a none orienteer they have alot to say about events. From winding up Big Jon, Mrs H and I suspect others under another pseudo...

[EddieH]

Follyfoot may enjoy winding people up, however his attemptd to sabotage the S6D travel plans were downright irresponsible and had nothing to do with a simple wind up.

[Freefall]

Just as well hardly anyone reads Nopesport anyway! Actually, good point Eddie - nothing wrong with a bit of banter (I have been known to engage in a bit myself) but there are limits.

[madmike]

True Freefall but back to the White Rose!

It was a great weekend as usual, the terrain and the maps were good (not always the case), very well planned courses. And of course further confirmation that a bucket of red wine still prevents me from making sensible decisions on who gets which controls on the Monday.

Thanks EBOR (and friends) I really enjoyed the weekend and appreciate the efforts you all put in.

death to the trolls

[Mrs H]

hear hear

And of course further confirmation that a bucket of red wine still prevents me from making sensible decisions on who gets which controls on the Monday.

Funny - doesn't seem to have the same effect on me - tell me Mike - is this the third consecutive year my team of mixed and aged runners has beaten your fine young men in the A class?

[madmike]

ummm - yes. And of course all 3 years have been after sharing red wine with you and Mr H the night before - I think I may have spotted a pattern