Results and Rankings.

[Miner]

Am I seeing double or is everyone appearing on the rankings list twice today?

[Gnitworp]

I'd like to complain about me being shown above myself, since I'm just as good as myself.

[AlanB]

Both of me have dropped one place this week - at least we're consistent - although the other me is one place above me in the club list!

[MIE]

I'd like to complain about me being shown above myself, since I'm just as good as myself.

Or you could just console yourself with knowledge that you are better than you are and not just better than you think you are

[SeanC]

A couple of our new members have commented they didn't receive ranking points for various events when other club members have. They're definately paid up BOF members. Anyone else heard of similar problems?



I can't believe I'm posting on the results and rankings thread.

Never mind, I can't believe there are many people still following.

[Clive Coles]

I guess there were not enough ranked orienteers entering the course they chose to run. At High lodge (Thetford Thrash - day 1) for example there were only 11 finishers on both the Black and Brown courses ~ nobody seems to have received any ranking points. Tough on those who did turn up ~ but I guess that's how the system works.

[SeanC]

Just checked, one was the London City Race womens open, the other was blue at Westerham, other competitors ranked on both courses. Just wondering if it's a general bug affecting newcomers, the sort of thing that might get missed in a new system as new members are going to shout least loud.

[MIE]

Just checked, one was the London City Race womens open, the other was blue at Westerham, other competitors ranked on both courses. Just wondering if it's a general bug affecting newcomers, the sort of thing that might get missed in a new system as new members are going to shout least loud.

The upload to the ranking list is keyed by membership number. If the EOD form, or the pre-entry, does not have a Membership number the person is assumed not to be a member and is , therefore, not allocated any points. If the person(s) have a membership number then they could send it to the club after the event in the hope
that the results will be uploaded again with the missing scores. There is however a
time limit on subsequent uploads. This is not a bug in the system, this is how it was designed and the user instructions for the upload process do say this.

[pete.owens]

On the issue of not enough runners to get ranked on Black courses (we only had 5 finishers at Delamere the other week). Is it a good idea to plan a separate course for so few competitors?

I guess the question is:
Would M21s prefer to run a long course against very little competition and treat it as a training run - or to run the Brown against a bigger field?

[andy]

Would M21s prefer to run a long course against very little competition and treat it as a training run - or to run the Brown against a bigger field?

Brown vs a bigger field for me. I just don't like always coming so far behind on black

[slang]

On the issue of not enough runners to get ranked on Black courses (we only had 5 finishers at Delamere the other week). Is it a good idea to plan a separate course for so few competitors?

I guess the question is:
Would M21s prefer to run a long course against very little competition and treat it as a training run - or to run the Brown against a bigger field?

If there were more runners on Black, I would have run on Black. Instead I entered Brown at Delamere.

[IanD]

If there were more runners on Black, I would have run on Black. Instead I entered Brown at Delamere.

I wonder whether people would prefer clubs to offer Black courses but drop them at the close of pre-entries, transferring people to Brown, if there were not sufficient people to generate ranking points? Even people not interested in rankings might prefer this so they have some competition?

Or would "Black" people prefer to stay on their longer course, feeling short-changed if transferred to a shorter one?

What I fear happening at the moment is the apparent demand for a Black course being reduced as a consequence of people who, like slang, would ideally like a competitive Black course waiting until the last minute and then entering Brown instead.

[EddieH]

I have decided to enter black in the SOLs this year - cannon fodder for the elite. If that makes up the numbers to be elgible for ranking so much the better. There are now plenty of ranking events, so being unable to score sometimes is hardly the end of the world.

I can't say I'd really be impressed if my course were pulled at the last minute.

[andypat]

Note to self - dont follow Eddie at next SOL!

[roadrunner]

I wonder whether people would prefer clubs to offer Black courses but drop them at the close of pre-entries, transferring people to Brown, if there were not sufficient people to generate ranking points? Even people not interested in rankings might prefer this so they have some competition?

This sounds a very sensible idea to me - not just for the Black course, but for anything (except White and Yellow), including urban events and the like. I'm sure the same thing has been done in the past at overseas events (though I can't remember which) - the event information stated that classes would be combined if there weren't enough entries, or split if there were too many (do you remember when we had M21E, M21A1, M21A2, M21B1, M21B2 and M21C?) That way, everyone gets a good level of competition, and it's no more work for the planner (indeed, less work on the day if some courses are scrapped) and only a little more effort processing the entries. You could probably take the decision ahead of entries closing if numbers were obviously way too low.