Could the BOF Fixture lists be more informative ?

[Paul Frost]

26. Entry fees for all non TD5 courses should be charged at the lower/junior rate (entrants are likely to be juniors, newcomers or injured).
Scottish O League Guidelines.

I suggested that this was added following comments from a couple of injured runners at a previous SOL. There was some resistance, but I think the number of people it applies to is so small that there is no great loss of income, but a lot of goodwill gained.

[Adrian]

Adrian & Frog also seem to want a printable Fixture list.. That's also been developed but placed on the restricted access menu.

We have had this link on the EAOA Fixtures web page for about a year.

So... If you want an old style fixture list .... click

http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/f ... rch=Search

If you want to embed this into a Association web page yYou will need to change assoc=1 in the character string to get your regional list. Cannot remember the actual numeric association codes... experiment by substituting a value in range 2-?? until you find your regional list.

It's another BOF created silly situation. There is nothing sensitive in these reports ~ all the information that they contain is publically available on the BOF website.

But when I asked for it to be placed on the public menu I was told only 2 folk had asked for it.

There is a need to have a restricted access menu ~ we are no longer talking just about just a web site. Some functions actually allow folk to update a data base.

So there is a panel of club fixture secretary names that only have access to the fixtures registration pages. The reports were a late development ~ some reports were statictical analyses, others prompted levy payment and others where informative to the wider audience. Unfortunately they were all introduced in a hurry (ahead of last years AGM) and they all ended up on the Fixtures panel hidden menu.

Again... if you want a downloadable printable fixture list ( like that contained in Compassport) you will have to email Mike and ask for it to be placed on a public menu.

As far as I can tell the new website still hides this information. And your link doesn't work any more. Can you tell us what the updated link is? Thanks.

[SYO Member]

Adrian, I assume you are referring to the classified listing, which is the only one I ever use, and is now called the Event Diary and which is here:

http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/page/event_diary

Or get to it from the BOF home page menu bar by hovering over Events...Fixtures and then click on 'Event Diary'.

[mikey]

That's an interesting diary.

I am especially looking forward to the East Anglian 5 day event in 2014 that starts on Christmas day.

[redpossum]

Is this the sort of thing you had in mind Adrian?

http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/index.php?pg=118

[Adrian]

Is this the sort of thing you had in mind Adrian?

http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/index.php?pg=118

Eureka! Or perhaps Eurekas! since you found it.

[Scott]

Greek grammar on Nopesport: my life is complete

[andypat]

26. Entry fees for all non TD5 courses should be charged at the lower/junior rate (entrants are likely to be juniors, newcomers or injured).
Scottish O League Guidelines.

I suggested that this was added following comments from a couple of injured runners at a previous SOL. There was some resistance, but I think the number of people it applies to is so small that there is no great loss of income, but a lot of goodwill gained.

Thats interesting Paul - when did this get added? I'd a discussion with the orgainiser of the Tinto Twin in November when it looked like my wife was going to have to pay something like £12 to run an orange. Actually the organiser was very apologetic and offered to sort something out on the day - but my wife was a bit uncomfortable with it and ended up just running round the white, helping our son (6).

I don think its a good idea that there is some guidance on this for the series as there should be consistency and am totally for the idea of charging less for adults on nonTD5 courses to encourage newcomers/occasional orienteers.

[Clive Coles]

Yes this is the revised URL I have been using to generate an old style fixture list

http://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/index.php?pg=118

This appears to be the format you see in CompassSport.

I still don't understand why the Board originally decreed this format of Fixture list could not be mentioned on a public menu along with the other Fixture list and Diary formats. If it is OK to publish the detailed information in CompassSport why cann't members have access to the print facility ? But I was told "it has been decided: to overturn that decision requires an AGM vote". I didn't rise to the challenge ~ I have better things to do in my life.

BOF were not being exactly helpful when they launched their newest web site ~ There were no release notes ~ they changed the structure of just about all of the URL's that other clubs and associations have been using on their web pages. And of course they didn't tell anyone what the new structure was. We have been working in the dark trying to repair these linkages.

It has therefore been a month of frustration whilst web masters across the nation have had to change the embedded links in their websites. A tedious exercise which was the last present they wanted for Christmas.

[SJC]

But I was told "it has been decided: to overturn that decision requires an AGM vote". I didn't rise to the challenge ~ I have better things to do in my life.

Another example of BOF not listening to what its membership wants. We were promised when Council was abolished that this wouldn't result in any loss of democracy with regard to the running of the sport. The current Board seems to be operating more and more in secret, only publishing the minimum amount of information, and often only when its decisions are a fait accompli. How can a simple thing like this require a motion at the AGM to get fixed?

[SYO Member]

It's probably a data protection issue.

Nobody wants their email address available to be trawled by spammers, even if a search is required to do so.

[DJM]

I still don't understand why the Board originally decreed this format of Fixture list could not be mentioned on a public menu along with the other Fixture list and Diary formats. If it is OK to publish the detailed information in CompassSport why cann't members have access to the print facility ? But I was told "it has been decided: to overturn that decision requires an AGM vote". I didn't rise to the challenge ~ I have better things to do in my life.

As a Board member, I don't recognise any part of the above quotation at all! It's right and proper that the Board is scrutinised, praised and criticised where appropriate, but not when it's members don't believe they're involved ...

[Scott]

It's probably a data protection issue.

Nobody wants their email address available to be trawled by spammers, even if a search is required to do so.

Whether or not the URL is publicised will make absolutely no difference to the ability of the robots used by spammers to find it.

[Paul Frost]

26. Entry fees for all non TD5 courses should be charged at the lower/junior rate (entrants are likely to be juniors, newcomers or injured).
Scottish O League Guidelines.

I suggested that this was added following comments from a couple of injured runners at a previous SOL. There was some resistance, but I think the number of people it applies to is so small that there is no great loss of income, but a lot of goodwill gained.

Thats interesting Paul - when did this get added? I'd a discussion with the orgainiser of the Tinto Twin in November when it looked like my wife was going to have to pay something like £12 to run an orange. Actually the organiser was very apologetic and offered to sort something out on the day - but my wife was a bit uncomfortable with it and ended up just running round the white, helping our son (6).

I don think its a good idea that there is some guidance on this for the series as there should be consistency and am totally for the idea of charging less for adults on nonTD5 courses to encourage newcomers/occasional orienteers.

It was updated September 2009.

[andypat]

Cheers Paul - I'll bear it in mind when I'm pre-entering SOLs this year - hopefully the relevant organisers are all as clued up as you!