Results and Rankings.

[andypat]

Well its not Scientific of course but here goes.

My last 5 Ranking event scores are as follows (No idea what the min/k are) covering about the last 6 weeks I think.

Park World Tour open race 998
CST heat Brown 936
SOL6 blue 1037
CST final Brown 959
SOL 7 Blue 1064

My average of my counting score is 995.

My PWT score (open race) is almost bang on the average.

My two races where I ran brown (M40L)(for the club in the Compassport trophy) scored 936 and 959. My two races where I ran my preferred course blue (M40s) scored 1037 and 1064. Pretty close to 100 points of a difference. My fitness has improved during this period as I had some months off training earlier in the year due to an achilles problem.

To me there are two possible explanations to this (and I think its a combination of the two in my case).

1. The rankings are still skewed as there arent sufficient events where all classes compete on the same courses.
2. I'm used to blue distance and probably slow a bit in the last few k of a brown due to fitness issues.

[graeme]

Also unscientific, but I looked at my own scores. It turns out that every time I ran M45/blue (5 times) I got a counting score, and none of my attempts at M21/brown made my counters (not even the one I won )

I prefer running long races: that has always been my strength and I still believe it is. So further anecdotal evidence to suggest shorter courses are overrated.


n.b. leaving aside the Edinburgh City race with major home advantage.

[King Penguin]

Oh - and yes DQ technically would be the correct outcome.

Why? Which rule did he break, given that anyone can competitively run any colour?

Not sure about breaking rules spookster but unless the two courses are identical then as I say "technically" they should be DQ as they will have mispunched. I'm sure the controller would use his/her discretion but as snail mentions, unless this resulted in someone else not getting a run on their course (or there was evidence of a signficant advantage gained) I'd generally be inclined to let it go in the spirit of good natured competition. Its not like we're golf or anything....

At almost every event I have been to the SI/EMIT download team would simply change the competitors course without it ever getting as far as the controller.

[roadrunner]

Ranking lists in orienteering aren't and never can be an exact science, and most of the scores people have quoted are within a range of +/-5%. Personally, I'd say that was quite a good achievement for the new system. Which is not to say we shouldn't strive to make it better, of course.

[madmike]

Interesting - I just had to go and look at my last 5 scores:

1036
892
952
953
988

1036 - I have to confess I got a good tow for second half of race by catching a better orienteer who had made a big error.

892 - was after about a gallon of red wine the night before so spent first 10 mins trying not to be ill.

The other 3 scores are more representative and are pretty close to each other despite being urban O on one hand to technical Tentsmuir on other. would not hav thought that till I looked!

Only 1036 makes it into my BOF ranking best 6.

[graeme]

never can be an exact science, and most of the scores people have quoted are within a range of +/-5%. Personally, I'd say that was quite a good achievement

But analysing data for bias *is* an exact science. And your 5% is a totally irrelevant measure. To see this, imagine shifting the average from 1000 to 11,000, keeping the spread the same. Everything is the same as before, except everyone has an extra 60,000 points, and your 5% error is now 0.5% .

For my data the probability of all 5 of my M45 races scoring higher than all 5 my M21 by chance is 5!*5!/10! = (types it into google) 0.0039682539. Anecdotal, but small enough to be worth posting.

Although older/slower people are overranked, as madmike implies, the system does give a good comparison across different types of event.

[mharky]

How come sprint races get ranking point and night races don't?

[madmike]

Although older/slower people are overranked, as madmike implies, the system does give a good comparison across different types of event.

Just to be crystal clear - and before I am set upon by a bunch of angry older/slower orienteers - the implication is with regard to differing types of terrain

[DeerTick]

I ran Tinto Twin Brown on Sunday (entered Short Brown, picked up wrong map

I'm intrigued. How do you manage to pick up the wrong map? Do you forget what course you're running or just fail to identify the right map box in the start box?

I wish I knew

I checked which map box was Short Brown at -1, but clearly didn't pick up from it.

AP

[DeerTick]

Why? Which rule did he break, given that anyone can competitively run any colour?

Not sure about breaking rules spookster but unless the two courses are identical then as I say "technically" they should be DQ as they will have mispunched. I'm sure the controller would use his/her discretion but as snail mentions, unless this resulted in someone else not getting a run on their course (or there was evidence of a signficant advantage gained) I'd generally be inclined to let it go in the spirit of good natured competition. Its not like we're golf or anything....

At almost every event I have been to the SI/EMIT download team would simply change the competitors course without it ever getting as far as the controller.

And that's exactly what happened.

AP

[DeerTick]

Oops. We're in triplicate again.

AP

[Clive Coles]

They seem to have cured that but surely the positions are now screwed.

[Miner]

I've just been looking at the last two regional events where I ran Green and I have noticed that I could have got the same ranking points by running slower on the shorter and easier Light Green course - how can this be?

[entries-sec]

The list is still wonky this morning ...

Christine

[alanbrett]

Apologies for the late update to the BOF Rankings of CHIG's Broxbourne Regional Event - it seems that no one in the club (we have no nominated Results Secretary) has been sent the instructions on how to upload to the new results system (according to this thread sent in Feb 2010) and indeed no link on where to go to upload.

We are now awaiting further instructions from BOF and have indeed also emailed them the results.

If anyone can help please email webmaster [AT] chig.org.uk