Results and Rankings.

[pedrolea]

I am back again with a similar comment. How is it that some clubs are super efficient with regard to posting results of Regional Events to be included in the rankings and others seem to take considerably longer? My praise this time is for SYO.

[Mrs H]

Well that's obvious - some people are busier than other - maybe have further to travel home from the event and want to get to bed before midnight so they can get ready for work the next day - it's mostly done by volunteers who have to fit it in round the rest of their lives.

Once again people seem to be confusing the exceptional with the norm

[andy]

How is it that some clubs are super efficient with regard to posting results of Regional Events to be included in the rankings and others seem to take considerably longer?

Because some clubs have 'computer people' who can and do willingly produce said results and rankings quickly and efficiently, and the other clubs either don't have someone (so some poor sod who has no idea and/or no inclination is doing it) or don't have someone with enough time to do it.
(Virtually) Every instance of this is being done by a volunteer, you need to remember.

[AndyC]

Peter Firth of NATO usually does an exceptional job of getting our results up quickly- sometimes however circumstances prevent him doing so and he drops back to routine service (which is still very very quick and accurate).
When that happens he apologises to everyone around and clearly frets even though he has nothing to apologise for- as I keep telling him we appreciate his service and when it falls short of perfect it is still excellent and we still appreciate it.

To all the volunteers who do such tasks I give my personal vote of thanks

[pedrolea]

Yes I hear what is being said yet still don't really understand. I have no complaints about the time it takes to get the race results out and appreciate the work done by the many volunteers. I just don't understand why a fortnight later these results which have already been published have not been presented to the BOF website.

[HOCOLITE]

Perhaps it is because BOF have not given the appropriate information to club nominated officials. Spookster was involved in the development so obviously has the info my other half is still waiting for BOF to send the promised instructions so has not been able to upload results to rankings. They were on club website on evening of event.
One week later still awaiting BOF info

[pedrolea]

That I understand.

[Spookster]

Perhaps it is because BOF have not given the appropriate information to club nominated officials. Spookster was involved in the development so obviously has the info my other half is still waiting for BOF to send the promised instructions so has not been able to upload results to rankings. They were on club website on evening of event.
One week later still awaiting BOF info

Caroline sent the User Guides to all registered Club Results Secretaries last Wednesday, 27th January. If you (or your other half) didn't receive them, you should check again that you are registered as the CRS.

[Sunlit Forres]

Anyone remember the days where you waited with great anticipation for the results envelope to drop through your letter box the week after the event? AAA standard results arrived on Wedneday or even Tuesday with a first class stamp. Some used to turn up any time in the next 3 weeks!

But one nice thing about these ancient communication methods was that the results usually had some planners comments to go with them - and often a word or two from the organiser and controller too plus some details of the club's next event. It's much easier to do with e-mail these days, but some clubs clubs don't seem to put event officials' comments up on the web that often. It's a shame becasue I think this adds to the whole event experience.

I can understand what AndyC is on about. There are a few Peter Firths out there and the amazing standards these guys set doesn't half put the pressure on us mortals.

[Spookster]

My praise this time is for SYO.

Thanks!

National Event ranking points are up as well now. However... neither events' points are quite right yet, as they are both giving ranking points to people who retired, were disqualified, etc.

I'll be correcting that today.

[NickC]

Matt, thanks for the corrections.

A question for the ranking "rules". Should Marcus (an M35) count for points on course 10. He has received more points than the M35L winner but ran neither of his age class courses. Is this permissible even at an event with specified age classes?

Thanks for the reply, I am getting very confused, particularly with the cross-posting.

[Spookster]

Matt, thanks for the corrections.

A question for the ranking "rules". Should Marcus (an M35) count for points on course 10. He has received more points than the M35L winner but ran neither of his age class courses. Is this permissible even at an event with specified age classes?

Thanks for the reply, I am getting very confused, particularly with the cross-posting.

I've corrected most of the issues with the uploaded ranking points, but the one remaining problem is how it deals with non-comp runners. In the results on the SYO page you can see that Marcus Pinker and Dave Peel were non comp. But when uploaded to the BOF results system, they don't show as non comp, and they are both scoring ranking points.

[andypat]

Would the answer be for the event organisers to remove BOF numbers from declared non-comps as part of the entry process? Bit of a faff I suppose.

[graeme]

A question for the ranking "rules". Should Marcus (an M35) count for points on course 10. He has received more points than the M35L winner but ran neither of his age class courses. Is this permissible even at an event with specified age classes?

Yes, it is permissable. The major achievement of the event review (IMO) is that anyone is allowed to run any course. What he can't be is Northern Champion at M35.
(I don't know why he's non-comp, maybe due to embargo issues?).

If the ranking points system is working well, he should get a sensible score.
Is it possible Marcus (with embargo-busting advantage) was the best M35 there? - yes.
Is the score sensible? It is on the high side, reflecting the known current problems of short-course bias and advantage to the winner of pushing 25% of runners into the "discarded outliers" category.

In fact, to get the single ranking list to stabilize it is essential that people run a variety of courses.

[andypat]

I notice that while the results from the Edinburgh Urban race are on the web now they have not appeared on the BOF results list or ranking list. Its maybe just that they havent been submitted yet, but am I correct in thinking the Edinburgh Urban race would now count as a ranking event? I think it was a "regional" or greade 2 or whatever event.

I am suspecting the JOK chasing sprint doesnt due to the alternate format but I am sure Graeme will correct me if I'm wrong.