JK

[DM]

F********g H**ll.................. bbolocks............. I've not even read this crap

Spelling please, single b and double l, and just for RJ a couple of !! lobbed in.

[Adrian]

I tend to agree - there's no need to hand out water at the end, *as long as there have been water stations en route*. I was orienteering for over two hours today in the March sun and it was crazy (though hardly unusual) that there was no water anywhere on the course.

[Gross]

On a separate note: Who has heard of the Leibnitz convention? Apparently the elite starts and finishes should be in the assembly area - It would be nice for either ALL starts and finishes to be in assembly, (yes, i know the reason they arent is pobbaly to give everyone a better course); and why treat the 'elite' differently from anyone else - why give them 'special' treatment?

Nope never heard of it but I don't believe it is any evidence of special elite treatment. I think that's more that the IOF only have true guidance over what happens at world ranking events (i.e. elite) so the final details are just mentioning that it isn't possible. Since the WRE isn't meeting a convention they are just being kind enough to tell us why, and the only relevant place to mention Leibnitz is in reference to the elites. I expect that had it been possible and feasible and sensible then all the courses would start and finish in the assembly area.

Looking forward to it, missed it last year, and the sprint in Newcastle sounds interesting

Leibnitz Convention was agreed at....... Leibnitz in Austria in 1998 (I think). It was established to promote orienteering as a media friendly sport.... start / finishes / speaking / assembly etc etc. Those were the days when PWT was still a big thing - the IOF meeting was squezzed between a PWT Race in Austria and another one in Slovinia...

[Mrs H]

So you mean it's got nothing to do with biscuits?

[madmike]

So you mean it's got nothing to do with biscuits?

didn't get the biscuit joke Mrs H, being more of a jaffa cake man so looked it up for any other pesants like me who didn't get it!

http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=83

[DJM]

THE LEIBNITZ CONVENTION

We, the Members of the IOF, attending the 20th IOF General Assembly in Leibnitz, Austria, on the 4 August 2000, hereby declare that

"It is of decisive importance to raise the profile of the sport to further the spread of orienteering to more people and new areas, and to get orienteering into the Olympic Games. The main vehicles to achieve this are:

• to organise attractive and exciting orienteering events which are of high quality for competitors, officials, media, spectators, sponsors, and external partners
• to make IOF events attractive for TV and Internet

We shall aim to:

• increase the visibility of our sport by organising our events closer to where people are
• make our event centres more attractive by giving increased attention to the design and quality of installations
• improve the event centre atmosphere, and the excitement, by having both start and finish at the centre
• increase television and other media coverage by ensuring that our events provide more and better opportunities for producing thrilling sports programmes
• improve media service by better catering for the needs of media representatives (in terms of communication facilities, access to runners at start/finish and in the forest, continuous intermediate time information, food and beverages, etc)
• pay more attention to promoting our sponsors and external partners in connection with our IOF events

We, the Members of the IOF, expect that these measures shall be considered by all future organisers of IOF events."

WRE Guidelines

The Leibnitz Convention requires that the Start and Finish be together and both to be in the Assembly area. This should be adhered to wherever possible so that the event is made into as big a spectacle as possible. However, it is accepted that it is not always possible to do this when the World Ranking courses form only part of a much larger event although having the pre-Start near the Finish is one way of doing so.

[Freefall]

Does Leibnitz take account of sheep? Apart from the JK competitors these are the only other interested parties in the area to the best of our knowledge.

[Mrs H]

didn't get the biscuit joke Mrs H,

It's a housewife thing

[Becks]

Even worse Mrs H - in my head they'll always be a granny thing

[Mrs H]

F********g H**ll.................. bbolocks.............

[Rookie]

A request from a friend looking for a sprint run:
If anyone knows they won't be running the women's sprint and would like to get their money back please PM me.

Obviously it would have to be cleared with organisers etc.