Love this comment from the International committee
International Committee supported the possibility of M/W16’s running in
the FCC Races. Events Committee to be requested to consider the matter
at its next meeting (8th November) to enable the change to be implemented
for the 2009 series of races. It was hoped that the rule could be quietly
removed rather than encourage lots of M/W16’s to compete.
though with 4/7 of the FCC races taken up by BOC and JK I can't see many 16s running the qualification races.
FCC 2009
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Re: FCC 2009
NeilC wrote: It was hoped that the rule could be quietly
removed rather than encourage lots of M/W16’s to compete.
Why not? Not only might it give a few of the 18s and 20s a bit of a fright, it also gives the upcoming 16s something to aim at, a benchmark say. Surely anything that improves competition is to be encouraged?
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Re: FCC 2009
It was the "quietly removed" bit that amused me.
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Re: FCC 2009
It would appear that there's some sort of time trial, hill race thingy as one of the selection races for JWOC next year. Interesting. Is it neccessary to have a physical trial like this or should we just assume that all our JWOC athletes are class runners anyway?
I fancy having a go, just to see where I am amongst the youngsters of the day. I'm sure it'll be an open event.....
I fancy having a go, just to see where I am amongst the youngsters of the day. I'm sure it'll be an open event.....
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Re: FCC 2009
I think this is a good idea. Although not new, we had a hill test on Arthurs Seat back in 2001 (foot & mouth year) as part of JWOC selection.
As JD said in "Focus" you can't ignore the fact that you have to develop an excellent running capacity in order to stand a chance of fighting for a top 10 internationally and it's worth making sure today's juniors realise this and are developing their physical AND technical training.
Obviously noone is going to make the team with JUST a good running capacity and no orienteering skills, but if we start bringing in minimum physiological requirements at each level and gradually pushing the bar up we'll have a more competitive WOC team in 5-10 years time.
The bee didn't get much coverage in Focus though eh?.. I'm convinced GB would have won the relay anyway, Jamie had Theirry covered for sure.. but I felt like the bee was left in the small print.. I think you need 3 fantastic performances AND a little luck to win WOC Gold
As JD said in "Focus" you can't ignore the fact that you have to develop an excellent running capacity in order to stand a chance of fighting for a top 10 internationally and it's worth making sure today's juniors realise this and are developing their physical AND technical training.
Obviously noone is going to make the team with JUST a good running capacity and no orienteering skills, but if we start bringing in minimum physiological requirements at each level and gradually pushing the bar up we'll have a more competitive WOC team in 5-10 years time.
The bee didn't get much coverage in Focus though eh?.. I'm convinced GB would have won the relay anyway, Jamie had Theirry covered for sure.. but I felt like the bee was left in the small print.. I think you need 3 fantastic performances AND a little luck to win WOC Gold
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Re: FCC 2009
harry wrote:I think this is a good idea. Although not new, we had a hill test on Arthurs Seat back in 2001 (foot & mouth year) as part of JWOC selection.
Wow, we were doing this back in 2001! Which brilliant person thought that up?
I, for one, am going to take part in this Lakes time trial - I need to measure my fitness against my peers - Ithink I'll be encouraging fellow M35s to take part too. It would be interesting to see how fit we all and how that relates to who wins the races. I'm fairly sure I won't be top 3 in this fitness race but can achieve this at the British & Scottish Champs without too much trouble.
Mmmmm, I think I'm already coming to the conclusion I should concentrate on improving my fitness!
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Re: FCC 2009
harry wrote:but if we start bringing in minimum physiological requirements at each level and gradually pushing the bar up we'll have a more competitive WOC team in 5-10 years time.
And what do you do the day that someone gets all the results orienteering, but 'fails' the fitness test? (And if anybody says "it won't/shouldn't happen", which it shouldn't given that you need to be fit to be good enough, then why have the test in the first place?)
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Re: FCC 2009
Are there any details of the trial yet? such as distance, climb etc.
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Re: FCC 2009
AWK >>> In answer to your question, I would tell them this.
"OK, so you won the JK, BOC and FCC, but you are still going to get your arse kicked at JWOC because you are no where near fit enough to race against these guys. It's easy winning in Britain, you're only running against Brits. Slow runners who can't navigate and crack under pressure. When you go to JWOC there will be massive guys who run 10km 3 mins faster than you, they will have done 100's of hours more technique training than you, they have run in loads of big races with real pressure against top athletes. You will race them, and you will lose"
We all know our sport is a combination of physical, technical and mental skill, and you cannot survive on one alone. But you shouldn't be afraid of being put in your place in the once area that can be easily and accurately tested. Why not be able to say "Yes, I am fit enough"
The proof is in the pudding, if you get the results in the JWOC test races you will go. But there is no harm in seeing how you measure up physically. Who knows, it might even motivate some of the juniors to do some running.
"OK, so you won the JK, BOC and FCC, but you are still going to get your arse kicked at JWOC because you are no where near fit enough to race against these guys. It's easy winning in Britain, you're only running against Brits. Slow runners who can't navigate and crack under pressure. When you go to JWOC there will be massive guys who run 10km 3 mins faster than you, they will have done 100's of hours more technique training than you, they have run in loads of big races with real pressure against top athletes. You will race them, and you will lose"
We all know our sport is a combination of physical, technical and mental skill, and you cannot survive on one alone. But you shouldn't be afraid of being put in your place in the once area that can be easily and accurately tested. Why not be able to say "Yes, I am fit enough"
The proof is in the pudding, if you get the results in the JWOC test races you will go. But there is no harm in seeing how you measure up physically. Who knows, it might even motivate some of the juniors to do some running.
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Re: FCC 2009
DHTB wrote:Are there any details of the trial yet? such as distance, climb etc.
or where ?
or when ?
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Re: FCC 2009
18th april, in the lake district, accompanying the FCC race on the sunday.
the distance/climb will probably be released closer to the race, and once it has been planned. i'd expect it to be around 30-45 mins
the distance/climb will probably be released closer to the race, and once it has been planned. i'd expect it to be around 30-45 mins
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Re: FCC 2009
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Re: FCC 2009
Scores after races 1 & 2 have been posted here after some prompt calculations by Pauline
http://www.pgopage.btinternet.co.uk/id18.htm
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Re: FCC 2009 Excitement
So - where is the excitement? At the very least 60 competitors and (approximately) 120 parents plus selectors, peer groups etc. should be getting excited about this coming weekend.
Who is going to win? Anyone willing to put some names on the line? Are the boys more predictable than the girls?
Who is going to win? Anyone willing to put some names on the line? Are the boys more predictable than the girls?
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