lots of votes coming in for some fast, furious, pressurised exercises!.(resonances of Jenny Whitehead's "sprint it like Stevenson" in CompassSport 2003). Doesn't need much terrain to work either. I'm starting to get inspired!
Speler. thread can split (or include) what do "older" entrants need/enjoy and how best to make it available. What helped in getting hooked? what helped in improving? I like getting involved in that too.
Off to cross some contours.
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- ifititches
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to really get into terrain and map reading i used to do huge control picking exercises, 50 controls or more over 2 hours. of course its not particularly suitable for a junior training weekend, too many controls, however it's a real winner for concentration especially towards the end of the session.
i think its great to finish a training day/weekend with a full group exercise, a short and sharp relay of some sort, star relays always seem to be good, especially when the kids are hanging/moving their own control kites because it cuts down on work for the coaches. pair up kids of mixed abilities and ages to make the teams as even as possible.
i think its great to finish a training day/weekend with a full group exercise, a short and sharp relay of some sort, star relays always seem to be good, especially when the kids are hanging/moving their own control kites because it cuts down on work for the coaches. pair up kids of mixed abilities and ages to make the teams as even as possible.
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I never went on training tours as a junior, but the exercises that I've enjoyed most from student training tours are:
I didn't like:
- in pairs, start from a common point, independently run to two sites about the same distance away ahead to left and right; place control there; run to other person's control and collect it; proceed to next common location, aiming to get there first
- draw your own map - this sounds like it could be particularly interesting with a brown-only version
- control picking - short bursts of closely spaced controls with longer legs between groups
I didn't like:
- timed run from Loughrigg Terrace to the trig point on top...
- an excercise in which you could see only a small area around each control and nothing between them... particularly when there was a huge cliff in the way
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Ben got in first with this i was going to suggest long control picking exercises with over 50 controls. this was also recently suggested to me by a woc medalist as being the best training apparently because "the hardest thing technically in O is getting into and out of the controls smoothly" - the between bits "coarse -or rough o" across a leg is easier.
Ben got in first with this i was going to suggest long control picking exercises with over 50 controls. this was also recently suggested to me by a woc medalist as being the best training apparently because "the hardest thing technically in O is getting into and out of the controls smoothly" - the between bits "coarse -or rough o" across a leg is easier.
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Short control picks are excellent....
....and 'mushroom picking.' (wether or not it's been called this before or something else, ms. elder introduced it as this) Mass start to a cluster of closely spaced contols, which can be taken in any order (technical area is good for this). Once all have been collected, continue to common control, then into another score cluster etc....really good if people go different ways........and watch out for barbed wire fences!
....also i'm a fan of peg relays...v.exciting....can't be arsd to explain...anyone??
....and 'mushroom picking.' (wether or not it's been called this before or something else, ms. elder introduced it as this) Mass start to a cluster of closely spaced contols, which can be taken in any order (technical area is good for this). Once all have been collected, continue to common control, then into another score cluster etc....really good if people go different ways........and watch out for barbed wire fences!
....also i'm a fan of peg relays...v.exciting....can't be arsd to explain...anyone??
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Peg relays go like this
Mass start and every one has the same main course. Whenever a control you reach has a peg on it you must take that peg and do the extra control marked on your map (i.e. peg at control 2, you have to do control 2A before continuing to 3). If however you don't get a peg, you just continues to control3. his gives te slower people the chance to get some pegs and catch back up. Pretty furious stuff usually.
The winner is generally the person with the most pegs but various rules are adopted sometimes where the pegs count for a time bonus or something like that.
That sound rite anyone?
Mass start and every one has the same main course. Whenever a control you reach has a peg on it you must take that peg and do the extra control marked on your map (i.e. peg at control 2, you have to do control 2A before continuing to 3). If however you don't get a peg, you just continues to control3. his gives te slower people the chance to get some pegs and catch back up. Pretty furious stuff usually.
The winner is generally the person with the most pegs but various rules are adopted sometimes where the pegs count for a time bonus or something like that.
That sound rite anyone?
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the mushroom picking sounds cool. I did some park orienteering in NZ where the races were mass start - everyone did 3-4 short common loops (in different orders) and then there was a small score event section with 8 controls or so, but you only had to go to maybe 4-6 of them; it was a cae of choosing which were the quickest 4-6 controls to get to. This was a good exercise for making you think hard while in oxygen debt.
I think park/sprint race planners could definitely be more inventive here in the UK - it was amazing what the guys in NZ could do with areas that looked quite limited. For a large group of people, say 40-60 at a summer evening event, you could have a series of mini mass starts for age classes/ability classes and follow the kind of hagaby idea.
anyway, going off the point a little bit here, it's supposed to be about junior training...
I think park/sprint race planners could definitely be more inventive here in the UK - it was amazing what the guys in NZ could do with areas that looked quite limited. For a large group of people, say 40-60 at a summer evening event, you could have a series of mini mass starts for age classes/ability classes and follow the kind of hagaby idea.
anyway, going off the point a little bit here, it's supposed to be about junior training...
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looks like the banterbus got back safely. Mrs H can sleep again now!
I like all these relays. Ta for explaining the peg relay Rhys.
I really enjoy control picking too, but by the time I'd put out the 50 controls it would be sun-down. Perhaps something to do on an area set out for training before some of the bigger events? Couldn't set juniors out for 2 hrs on training weekend, unless I really wanted some time to myself!
And the mushrooms...great idea
Don't mind your age, seniors inspire juniors/show them what's possible.
Back to work now, taking inspiration with me
I like all these relays. Ta for explaining the peg relay Rhys.
I really enjoy control picking too, but by the time I'd put out the 50 controls it would be sun-down. Perhaps something to do on an area set out for training before some of the bigger events? Couldn't set juniors out for 2 hrs on training weekend, unless I really wanted some time to myself!
And the mushrooms...great idea
Don't mind your age, seniors inspire juniors/show them what's possible.
Back to work now, taking inspiration with me
- ifititches
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On an area with plenty of detail (if it is contour detail then so much the better ) go out for a run with the map, NO course, NO compass, just navigate your own way round wherever you think is interesting.
This does the following.
Forces you to run map to ground.
Forces you to be concious of direction and gives you a feel for change in direction.
This does the following.
Forces you to run map to ground.
Forces you to be concious of direction and gives you a feel for change in direction.
If you could run forever ......
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Love the idea of the mushroom and peg relays - not seen either if of those before.
Ifititches - iif you've got reasonably confident juniors, the pursuit-O style saves a lot on kite hanging, and at least helps with control picking, although you don't get the continuous flow over a sustained distance. Doesn't have to be competitive. Iit does mean that it's easier to pitch exercise to standard of each pair.
Along the line of mushrooms, I like using clusters - longish leg followed by 2-3 short legs. Great for learning how to change pace. It's amazing how many mistakes are down to a failure to do that at the right time. Traffic lighting can help, particularly where the junior identifies the colour beforehand, rather than given it by the coach.
Went to the Great Tower event yesterday. A lovely event - 18 controls in 5.6k, largely interesting control picking in a fabulous area. Pre-marked maps, proper toilet block right next to the start, barbecue etc. I hope UVHS raised loads of dosh - they deserved it. Splits were interesting in seeing how many people managed to lose lots of time on just one or two controls, usually on the western slope. Good prep for next weekend.
Andrew
Ifititches - iif you've got reasonably confident juniors, the pursuit-O style saves a lot on kite hanging, and at least helps with control picking, although you don't get the continuous flow over a sustained distance. Doesn't have to be competitive. Iit does mean that it's easier to pitch exercise to standard of each pair.
Along the line of mushrooms, I like using clusters - longish leg followed by 2-3 short legs. Great for learning how to change pace. It's amazing how many mistakes are down to a failure to do that at the right time. Traffic lighting can help, particularly where the junior identifies the colour beforehand, rather than given it by the coach.
Went to the Great Tower event yesterday. A lovely event - 18 controls in 5.6k, largely interesting control picking in a fabulous area. Pre-marked maps, proper toilet block right next to the start, barbecue etc. I hope UVHS raised loads of dosh - they deserved it. Splits were interesting in seeing how many people managed to lose lots of time on just one or two controls, usually on the western slope. Good prep for next weekend.
Andrew
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the mushrooms are, well,.....mushrooming. (ok, it's been a long day..)
Mark C is "draw your own map" where you've been to a control, then draw map of your route to it for someone else? or a variation of that? or something else completely?
Bendover, agree great things could happen in parks, and could get to groups who don't find O otherwise, as well as new aspect for regulars. In my O dreams, links with local generic coach development officer and community sports programme miraculously realise this. But that's ? another thread/route choice for discussion, and brings in Hilary P and Peter Bylett methinks
awk, sounds like an inspiring day, leading to top performance at JK?
I ache; yesterday's contours are now in my legs, I think.
Mark C is "draw your own map" where you've been to a control, then draw map of your route to it for someone else? or a variation of that? or something else completely?
Bendover, agree great things could happen in parks, and could get to groups who don't find O otherwise, as well as new aspect for regulars. In my O dreams, links with local generic coach development officer and community sports programme miraculously realise this. But that's ? another thread/route choice for discussion, and brings in Hilary P and Peter Bylett methinks
awk, sounds like an inspiring day, leading to top performance at JK?
I ache; yesterday's contours are now in my legs, I think.
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ifititches wrote:Mark C is "draw your own map" where you've been to a control, then draw map of your route to it for someone else? or a variation of that? or something else completely?
What I'm thinking of is to have a full course of about 10 controls as a master map, with each individual getting a blank piece of paper instead of a blank map to draw it onto - the idea being to identify the detail which is critical for each leg.
Giving this to another person to actually run round is an interesting idea
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