Stourhead National Event - No Winsplits / Splitsbrowser Yet

[HotShot]

No sign of the Stourhead National Event results appearing on Winsplits / Splitsbrowser yet - nearly a week after the race. Given that a lot of smaller events seem to be able to do this within 24 hours, am I being unreasonable in expecting a similar turnaround from a prestigious national-level event for which I have paid a significantly larger entry fee?

[Angry Haggis]

Why not load them onto Splitsbrowser yourself?

Step 1: Download http://www.sarumo.org.uk/triple-o-sever ... plits.html (or equivalent file for Elites/Women)

Step 2: Fill out the form at: http://www.splitsbrowser.org.uk/addevent.php

Step 3: Attach the file you saved in Step 1.

[guest]

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[HotShot]

Why not load them onto Splitsbrowser yourself?

Done!
http://www.splitsbrowser.org.uk/splitsg ... entId=1473

[guest]

No ranking points yet even though over 2 weeks since the event - I thought that National events were meant to post within 2 weeks.

[guest]

moan, moan, whinge, whinge yet again.

Get a life! Go out and have a run - stop worrying about your splits and your mickey mouse ranking points.

Soon there will be no volunteers left to organise events for the moaners to whinge about because they will all have given up volunteering.

[RobL]

Appendix K BOF Rules 2003 Page K1
2.1.2 Final results must be submitted electronically to the ranking page on the BOF web site within 14 days of the event. If a ranking event fails to meet this condition then the organising club will not be permitted to hold another ranking event until it can guarantee to meet the condition.

[distracted]

Appendix K BOF Rules 2003 Page K1
2.1.2 Final results must be submitted electronically to the ranking page on the BOF web site within 14 days of the event. If a ranking event fails to meet this condition then the organising club will not be permitted to hold another ranking event until it can guarantee to meet the condition.

and how often is that acted upon? and does it really matter?

In some respects we've come to expect too much - results up on the evening of an event, winsplits and splitsbrowser. Suppose now people will start to moan if their course isn't put up on Routegadget... These guys are volunteers after all, and most have many other things to be doing with their time. An event can take over people's lives, especially in the immediate run-up to it, and sometimes in the immediate aftermath you just want to forget about it for a while.

In the majority of cases, I'm sure a polite email to the organiser(s) would be more likely to (a) get an explanation and (b) be acted upon than having a whinge on here. I very much doubt that every single event organiser reads this...

[Kitch]

Congratulations to Hotshot and Angry Haggis

this is what Nopesport is for

[HotShot]

In some respects we've come to expect too much - results up on the evening of an event, winsplits and splitsbrowser. Suppose now people will start to moan if their course isn't put up on Routegadget... These guys are volunteers after all, and most have many other things to be doing with their time. An event can take over people's lives, especially in the immediate run-up to it, and sometimes in the immediate aftermath you just want to forget about it for a while.

In the majority of cases, I'm sure a polite email to the organiser(s) would be more likely to (a) get an explanation and (b) be acted upon than having a whinge on here. I very much doubt that every single event organiser reads this...

For the record it took me just fifteen minutes to upload the Stourhead results. That included downloading four results files from the event website and then manually concatenating them into a single file before uploading them to Splitsbrowser. And by the way, I have never uploaded anything to Splitsbrowser before nor been involved in processing SI data files! I imagine it is non-standard to have multiple results files, so I guess it would normally take less than five minutes to do the job, or even less for someone who's done it before.

I really don't think it is asking too much for event organizers to do this promptly. If they prepared to put in the effort to get the normal results on the web on the evening of an event, it really is a miniscule additional effort to also upload the splits to Splitsbrowser. It is worth pointing out that these tasks can be done by someone not otherwise involved in the organization of the event.

The ability to compare split times was for me the main attraction of electronic punching when its introduction was proposed a few years back. Doing this with raw splits files is very tedious - that's why people were motivated to produce Splitsbrowser, WinSplits etc (respect ).

If we are not going to make full and prompt use of electronic punching (EP) data, I would question whether we should abandon EP altogether. As an occasional planner, I would be delighted not to have to lug all that extra hardware around the forest.

[mharky]

SIman normally has results and splits up before you get back to you car!

[stodge]

There was a directive from BOF recently encouraging all organisers to post to winsplits and splitsbrowser.
Im sure many people do not look at the splits provided by the organisers website and now only use splitsbrowser, so it is important.

I agree - no excuse. People pay large entry fees now for the bigger events and expect a more professional service, provisional results should be on the web a couple of hours after the event, ie time for IT people to get near an internet connection, and where possible for the big events provisional postings should be posted from the race site if mobile phone coverage allows.

At most the whole posting process from exporting the results in what ever formats are needed creating the links and pages on club websites, linking, uploading and submitting to BOF, Winsplits, and Splitsbrowser should take no longer than 20 mins.

However, wouldnt a central results system based on a universal format be much better .......

[schnitzer]

moan, moan, whinge, whinge yet again.

Get a life! Go out and have a run - stop worrying about your splits and your mickey mouse ranking points.

Sounds to me like u are moaning.

A competitive friend of mine who has been orienteering a couple of years now checks the ranking list every day (so do I) until his mickey mouse points go on from the last event. I would say his enthusiasm for the sport is proportional to the feedback he gets from the rankings list. It is important for him (and me) cause it is the best (only?) way of measuring overall improvement.

In the majority of cases, I'm sure a polite email to the organiser(s) would be more likely to (a) get an explanation and (b) be acted upon than having a whinge on here. I very much doubt that every single event organiser reads this...

The same friend of mine (once he got his BOF number) e-mailed 4 event organisers and kindly asked if they could re-submit the results with his BOF number in. He got only one angry reply stating the half-a-job voluteer-based get-out clause repeated on Nopesport so often as a counter argument when people whinge and suggesting that he should disclose his BOF number on entry!

I e-mailed 3 event organisers regarding problems with rankings results posted with the wrong date amongst other things and I got no replies at all but to be fair to the SO people they did correct the problem immediately. The other problems still remain.

Soon there will be no volunteers left to organise events for the moaners to whinge about because they will all have given up volunteering.

This may sound a bit harsh but I don't care if they have voluntered or not. If a jobs worth doing, its worth doing properly and that includes everything - start times, control placement, results, ranking points etc. It's not a matter of 'I'm not getting paid for this so half-a-job will do.', it should be a matter of personal pride to ensure everthing is done properly.

Participation in our sport needs a severe booster and it doesn't matter if everything else was done brilliantly people only remember the bad things - it's human nature.

BTW I am aware of the nightmares with the Stourhead event and want it to be clear that this post applies generally.

[FromTheGrassyKnoll]

[quote="schnitzer]This may sound a bit harsh but I don't care if they have voluntered or not.[/quote]

Doing the computing at events (and probably alot of other jobs too) is a thankless task. You don't get paid (unless you are doing the British Champs/JK) and people just moan when it goes wrong. For clubs that don't do many events there may not be much expertise going around and in any case events are rare enough that you easily forget the nuances between events.

There seems to be a serious disconnect between the people moaning and the people who are pampering them with very low cost services. I say ramp up the fees for these moaners... entry submission to the rankings list should have an extra £5 processing fee; WinSplits posting... extra £5... Splits on the day £1...

Perhaps there should be standard rates of pay for 'volunteers'. I'll process results for £1 an entry and have WinSplits up within 6hrs of the end of the event.... I'll point you to your parking spot for 50p a car... I'll give you a race number for £2... Course planning could be £10/hr in the forest...

But that would lead to a rather different type of charging structure....

... still if I was being paid... I might more easily tolerate the drivel.

[Nails]

i'd pay at least 50p for not being pointed to the exact inch where the car 'must' be parked! "Yep find a spot wherever you like -that'll be 50p please." "Here's a pound for your trouble."