a spanish gypsie also has the new V3 emit doesnt he rocky
I think having it at the scottish would be pretty good, especially if they had the laser gate finsh. that way we would have a fantastic sprint competition.
Emit or SI???
Moderators: [nope] cartel, team nopesport
64 posts
• Page 2 of 5 • 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
OK, perhaps when I said every club had ident I was being a bit over-zealous. I didn't realise there was quite so much emit equipment in the UK.
But I think the fact still remains that the problems associated with using emit for an event the size of the scottish would outweigh the benefits.
Benefits I guess would be that the units are easier to hang and collect and you can punch slightly quicker, but not much.
problems would be giving everyone a hire card, losing some, having to explain how to hold the cards, giving everyone a paper card back up, collecting them all in etc.
But I think the fact still remains that the problems associated with using emit for an event the size of the scottish would outweigh the benefits.
Benefits I guess would be that the units are easier to hang and collect and you can punch slightly quicker, but not much.
problems would be giving everyone a hire card, losing some, having to explain how to hold the cards, giving everyone a paper card back up, collecting them all in etc.
- Guest
"Every club has inveseted in it??? thats BS".
No it's not.
Every club that uses SI has to (or at least should) have paid for the software copyright. About 2 years ago the cost for the normal event software was around £115 . I don't remember exactly, although I should as I paid for it on my credit card along with relay software.[/quote]
No it's not.
Every club that uses SI has to (or at least should) have paid for the software copyright. About 2 years ago the cost for the normal event software was around £115 . I don't remember exactly, although I should as I paid for it on my credit card along with relay software.[/quote]
Last edited by Steve O on Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
Steve O - yellow
- Posts: 82
- Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:08 pm
- Location: Perth
i think what 'Guest' was refering to was that pretty much everyone has invested in the system. anyone who has held an event has to have invested in SI just to hire it from who ever owns it.
I thought regions would pay for the software???
I thought regions would pay for the software???
-
mharky - team nopesport
- Posts: 4541
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:39 pm
i used to be well in favour of SI but am coming round to emit more and more, esp with the new cards and its ease for training purposes, it is starting to get more widespread use at larger events too.
we (euoc) are going to whack in a nice application for an emit set too which'd is rather audacious and will probably be laughed out of the sports union but its worth a try eh!
the new cards i believe are £38 (ouch) but very cool.
Only thing i still don't like about emit is some faffing at controls punching but this only really matters if you are making sure that u get the backup punch, with the lcd screen this becomes irrelivant as it tells you whether your punch has registered or not.
we (euoc) are going to whack in a nice application for an emit set too which'd is rather audacious and will probably be laughed out of the sports union but its worth a try eh!
the new cards i believe are £38 (ouch) but very cool.
Only thing i still don't like about emit is some faffing at controls punching but this only really matters if you are making sure that u get the backup punch, with the lcd screen this becomes irrelivant as it tells you whether your punch has registered or not.
“Success is 99% failure� -- Soichiro Honda
-
brooner - [nope] cartel
- Posts: 3931
- Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:46 pm
- Location: Sydney
I also used to not like emit but am now seeing the benefits, it takes a while to get used to punching but isn't that difficult really. The emit website says they chose not to have a beep to conserve the batteries in the unit and so you didn't mistake someone elses beep for yours at a multiple punch site as did happen at a relay last year. We are using version 3 emit for BUSA since this is what the army own and we figured if there is any disadvantage from time spent at the control trying to fit the card in it's probably the same for everyone.
-
cj - yellow
- Posts: 88
- Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:37 pm
the chat about SI being tricky to use for training events is all lies.
in my club, we use SI for training as often as whoever is organising it can think of an excuse to use it. this would not be the case were it not simple to use. no planning on a computer is necessary, no computer is necessary for downloadage and printage of splits.
straightforward.
also, in the compass sport article advertising emit that i recently read, the UK's emit rep referred to an emit e-card/brick/tray/SI Card as a SI Card.
and furthermore, i think the majority of people orientering in the uk think that it is a good idea to invest in an electronic punching card device. whether they think it would be a good use of resources to invest in two is a different question. both emit and SI i am sure are delighted at the prospect of the UK orienteering population buying their respective products (binding of course to appropriate upgrades in the dueness of course). following regnly's foray at shotover, it is certainly true that there was a complete stranglehold in England until relatively recently the army in SCOA started tempting people out with their free hire of all emit equipment to events and the subsequent dubious SCOA enquiry (i think this is on their website but don't have time to check now as i am going running in a minute and a half). Someone ought to sieze control as the only people gaining from this are emit (as SI have already sold their stuff, made their money and are doubtless er... taking to sponsoring).
I don't know the statistics, but if anyone does, then i would be interested to hear how much money has been spent on the two systems (incl cards), and relative proportions of what the UK O public has invested in.
...
in my club, we use SI for training as often as whoever is organising it can think of an excuse to use it. this would not be the case were it not simple to use. no planning on a computer is necessary, no computer is necessary for downloadage and printage of splits.
straightforward.
also, in the compass sport article advertising emit that i recently read, the UK's emit rep referred to an emit e-card/brick/tray/SI Card as a SI Card.
and furthermore, i think the majority of people orientering in the uk think that it is a good idea to invest in an electronic punching card device. whether they think it would be a good use of resources to invest in two is a different question. both emit and SI i am sure are delighted at the prospect of the UK orienteering population buying their respective products (binding of course to appropriate upgrades in the dueness of course). following regnly's foray at shotover, it is certainly true that there was a complete stranglehold in England until relatively recently the army in SCOA started tempting people out with their free hire of all emit equipment to events and the subsequent dubious SCOA enquiry (i think this is on their website but don't have time to check now as i am going running in a minute and a half). Someone ought to sieze control as the only people gaining from this are emit (as SI have already sold their stuff, made their money and are doubtless er... taking to sponsoring).
I don't know the statistics, but if anyone does, then i would be interested to hear how much money has been spent on the two systems (incl cards), and relative proportions of what the UK O public has invested in.
...
-
ic - yellow
- Posts: 98
- Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:33 pm
- Location: retired
Emit is much much better!
I used to prefer SI, but it was only because everyone was using it, and when i first used Emit, it was more awkward to use, now i think its sooo much better. it way easier for the planners/controllers, the unit s are much more reliable, and, once you get used to it (which doesnt take that long), it is sooo much faster in the forest.
its just a shame that everyone has got used to SI, and thinks that emit is really difficult just because the brick is quite big and it seems like a "jigsaw", but it really isnt !i also know that some people have preconceived ideas and simply dont want to accept emit in place of SI, but i guess it sounds like i dont like SI, i do though, emit ijust has more good points about it.
Emit all the way!!!
I used to prefer SI, but it was only because everyone was using it, and when i first used Emit, it was more awkward to use, now i think its sooo much better. it way easier for the planners/controllers, the unit s are much more reliable, and, once you get used to it (which doesnt take that long), it is sooo much faster in the forest.
its just a shame that everyone has got used to SI, and thinks that emit is really difficult just because the brick is quite big and it seems like a "jigsaw", but it really isnt !i also know that some people have preconceived ideas and simply dont want to accept emit in place of SI, but i guess it sounds like i dont like SI, i do though, emit ijust has more good points about it.
Emit all the way!!!
- Rachel
Mark: Surely the reason places like glenmore and organisations like the army have emit, is because they have large budgets. They snapped them up as soon as e-punching came onto the market....while normal clubs floundered about trying to raise cash....and obviously once you have a set of equipment your not going to replace it...right.
Still emit is cool and the new bricks are cool to use.
Also Mark: Si also has the ability to do a "laser finish" as you call it, they use them on PWT......more of a "hand thrust forward" finish....than a "chest thrust forward"...
Anyways...this ain't going to be resolved...there are advantages and disadvantages to both systems....though as someone has said there are lots of the "older" orienteering public, who have only just got used to this new "fangled" SI, and they are timid to try anything....well..."different"
Still emit is cool and the new bricks are cool to use.
Also Mark: Si also has the ability to do a "laser finish" as you call it, they use them on PWT......more of a "hand thrust forward" finish....than a "chest thrust forward"...
Anyways...this ain't going to be resolved...there are advantages and disadvantages to both systems....though as someone has said there are lots of the "older" orienteering public, who have only just got used to this new "fangled" SI, and they are timid to try anything....well..."different"
Tetley and its Golden Farce.
-
Nails - diehard
- Posts: 685
- Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:46 pm
- Location: Walkley, South Yorkshire
tis crazy that OD are buying emit, seeing as chasers have SI, regardless of which is better it just seems financially pointless. even more crazy is the sum of money that mike napier is being paid to do the computers at JK2005, when the clubs inside the westmids would be able (and have offered) to do just as good a job for free. we are talking a 4 digit number that begins with 3 here. but thats beside the point, if the emit brick was the shape of the si card and bleeped i would prefer it over si.
- Guest
Neil> I was just illustrating the point that the whole country aint SI with my BAOC and Glenmore refrences. I didn't say the bought them because they were better systems. And I agree with you, once you have bought a set of e-punching equipment i doubt they will go from one sytem to another. It would obvisouly be easier and more cost effective to jsut update which ever sytem you use.
I'm also fully aware of the SI laser gate finish (they used it at JWOC), although I thought that the laser records the time the beam was broken, and then this is assigned to your SI card once you downloaded. (currect me if i'm wrong mr cumpstey). With the emit finish gate its a normal finish control with an increased range, so there is no worry about finish times being muddled with other runners.
As I actually put myself down as no preferance on the poll i feel i should argue for SI for a bit...
I have only really used both systems as an athlete, i have only dabbled with SI as a planner, and helped with emit. But for using them in the forest they are both good. But with SI you know that you have punched coz it beeps, i have had my card out before the beep, and had it beep before my card is in, and now that i have been using my V6 for a long time punching is a pretty smooth process. With emit you somtimes get a light, which somtimes you can see. but i have punched loads of times, looked at me display, and had to go back to repunch. The emit brick is also chunky, and gets in the way when i need my hand to climb stuff. Having to try and hire out over a 1000 emit bricks is, lets face it, and absolute b*tch.
I'm also fully aware of the SI laser gate finish (they used it at JWOC), although I thought that the laser records the time the beam was broken, and then this is assigned to your SI card once you downloaded. (currect me if i'm wrong mr cumpstey). With the emit finish gate its a normal finish control with an increased range, so there is no worry about finish times being muddled with other runners.
As I actually put myself down as no preferance on the poll i feel i should argue for SI for a bit...
I have only really used both systems as an athlete, i have only dabbled with SI as a planner, and helped with emit. But for using them in the forest they are both good. But with SI you know that you have punched coz it beeps, i have had my card out before the beep, and had it beep before my card is in, and now that i have been using my V6 for a long time punching is a pretty smooth process. With emit you somtimes get a light, which somtimes you can see. but i have punched loads of times, looked at me display, and had to go back to repunch. The emit brick is also chunky, and gets in the way when i need my hand to climb stuff. Having to try and hire out over a 1000 emit bricks is, lets face it, and absolute b*tch.
-
mharky - team nopesport
- Posts: 4541
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:39 pm
in my opinion emit is a lot more reliable than SI. how many people can remember an event using emit having punches failing? (i know, not many events use emit). but how many people can recall an event where a sport ident unit failed? i'm pretty certain SI would have much more events with control failure.
The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.
-
Supersaint - team nopesport
- Posts: 538
- Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2003 3:45 pm
- Location: Burley, Leeds
i agree, remeber that night race where the courses were measured wrong and about 5 units failed. i think we were at home at the time...
i've never known emit fail, and i've used it a lot more than a lot of people due to baoc and gbr. the only problem with it is when you have some old boy m60 trying the get it to line up properly.....
i've never known emit fail, and i've used it a lot more than a lot of people due to baoc and gbr. the only problem with it is when you have some old boy m60 trying the get it to line up properly.....
-
mharky - team nopesport
- Posts: 4541
- Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:39 pm
- Guest
64 posts
• Page 2 of 5 • 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 22 guests