disbanding the FCC
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so why dont they run W21L then, or maybe one of the mens courses like Sarah Rollins, infact, that is a good example. Sarah will always be running the brown or the M21L at all the pishy little events in the south, its the best thing for her, juniors should do the same. And when it comes to important race, so for sarah UK Cup, and juniors the 4 FCC races you need to qualify, then run your own course. Its only 4 'not quite challenging enough' courses that you have to do, leaving plenty of weekends free to run W21L
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mharky - team nopesport
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Because they're not serious orienteers. They don't want to stretch to a W21L before they have to. I've been running 21L down here all year and I'm fine with that...but this small group of peole we've all gornw up with aren't the only people that orienteer are they? And we need to keep these others if our sport's to go anywhere....or even survive.
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Becks - god
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I wouldn't say we weren't serious orienteers, just not as serious (or fast) as you lot. Becks is right tho that even if you orienteer for the enjoyment and don't really have the dedication to train tonnes and get fast it is still nice to have some competition, and people new to the sport don't want to start on a 21L. Down in oxford there is only ever me n kat running 20 and seems stupid for us to run a course shorter than the 18(which often happens) when we could just run with them and the better people could run up. At home (NW) most of the events now run with the new junior age classes where 18's and 20's are JW5L which I really enjoy cos there is loads of people running it. Don't exactly know what is happening with those age classes now they've been trialed but if they come into general use then we'll b sorted.
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cj - yellow
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so what is it exactly that you want, you being confusing. you run the 20 with a cat and it is shorter than the 18. okej. you want to run against more people or you want to have a longer course?
becks>>> you seem to have misunderstodd me. i have been saying all along that putting the 20s with the 21s is a bad idea coz crap people cant run 21s and BOF should cater for these crap people. i was telling the people who moan at w20s being to easy to run w21l or longer at all except the 4 fcc races they need for final.
go punter go
becks>>> you seem to have misunderstodd me. i have been saying all along that putting the 20s with the 21s is a bad idea coz crap people cant run 21s and BOF should cater for these crap people. i was telling the people who moan at w20s being to easy to run w21l or longer at all except the 4 fcc races they need for final.
go punter go
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mharky - team nopesport
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Sorry I realise that was a bit rambled, I was suggesting that you merge 18 and 20 so those who don't want to run 21 can have a some competition on a reasonable length course whilst those who want to push themselves can move up to the 21. As 20's are allowed to run JW5L anyhow, if this class system becomes widespread the argument will be largely irrelevent.
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cj - yellow
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there can't be many places that aren't doing it surely? most of the fcc races last year were jm/w hatever with the exception of jk & cannock if my memory serves me correctly?
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brooner - [nope] cartel
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probable, the thing you have to learn about BOF, and the person who fiddles with kiddies courses is that they make decisions that effect juniors, they dont tell you, they dont ask what you think of them, and they wont tell you that they have come into place. I seem to have remeberd the BOFs deciding that it was a good idea for badge events, not these are badge events anymore, but for nationals it is still M16B etc...
i tihnk its a good idea, it means you can run a course that is suited for you and have a reasonable amount of competition, rather than running with no competition, or a course that is too hard. plus it means the best juniors will all be running against each other, 16s up to 20s
i tihnk its a good idea, it means you can run a course that is suited for you and have a reasonable amount of competition, rather than running with no competition, or a course that is too hard. plus it means the best juniors will all be running against each other, 16s up to 20s
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mharky - team nopesport
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If I remember correctly, (possibly not given the time) the new badge scheme was voted in nationally by 2 regions, Scotland and East Anglia, with none of the input from the juniors accounted for (East Anglian juniors were some of the most outspoken against the new scheme). Kinda sucks.
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PeterG - diehard
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as i remember it the kids at scotjos were asked and were in favour of it.
actually they were consulted about a far more radical scheme which would have abolished ALL age class courses, and replaced themwith courses described by their physical and technical demands. the idaea then was to have a different number of points available to the winners on each course, eg 2000 for winner of longest course, 1750 for the next toughest etc. etc. then people could run the course they wanted and get points appropriate to their performance. but leagues would have been done for age classes, allowing eg, an M18 or M20 to run the 'senior' course, but still be eligible for the M18 title.
the kids were all in favour of this as well, but it was voted out by the crumblies of scottish orienteering. would've been interesting to see how it would have worked out in the end.
actually they were consulted about a far more radical scheme which would have abolished ALL age class courses, and replaced themwith courses described by their physical and technical demands. the idaea then was to have a different number of points available to the winners on each course, eg 2000 for winner of longest course, 1750 for the next toughest etc. etc. then people could run the course they wanted and get points appropriate to their performance. but leagues would have been done for age classes, allowing eg, an M18 or M20 to run the 'senior' course, but still be eligible for the M18 title.
the kids were all in favour of this as well, but it was voted out by the crumblies of scottish orienteering. would've been interesting to see how it would have worked out in the end.
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