Good event. Well-planned courses & organisation. Conditions underfoot perhaps meant earlier starters had the best of it(?).
Anyone know why LOC were non-comp? Clearly they only had around 6 runners, so would have finished low in the results, but marking all their runners non-comp obviously increased other runners' points, and so could potentially have affected the result. Cup result was clear cut this year, but Trophy was very close. It doesn't seem very satisfactory if the winning club could be determined by whether or not another club near the bottom of the results declares itself or is deemed to be "non-competitive"!
Compass Sport Cup/Trophy final
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Re: Compass Sport Cup/Trophy final
The NWOA round was cancelled so all NWOA clubs were put through to the final on the condition that they raised full teams. LOC were unable to raise a full team and were therefore deemed non-competitive by the organisers.
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Re: Compass Sport Cup/Trophy final
Do you have a link to the results?
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The CSC Coordinating Group are aware of the LOC issue and the Rules probably need some clarification.
The scoring team for the Cup is 25 and 13 for the Trophy.
If a club that gets to the Final can't raising a scoring team should they be able to compete?
If less than the 25 or 13 what is a reasonable number of people that a club should be entering to be allowed to take part?
Anything else on THIS issue? Please discuss if you wish - a wider view is always useful. Peter Guillaume CSC Coordinator
The scoring team for the Cup is 25 and 13 for the Trophy.
If a club that gets to the Final can't raising a scoring team should they be able to compete?
If less than the 25 or 13 what is a reasonable number of people that a club should be entering to be allowed to take part?
Anything else on THIS issue? Please discuss if you wish - a wider view is always useful. Peter Guillaume CSC Coordinator
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Re: Compass Sport Cup/Trophy final
pgupnorth wrote:If a club that gets to the Final can't raising a scoring team should they be able to compete?
Yes, why shouldn't they?
pgupnorth wrote:If less than the 25 or 13 what is a reasonable number of people that a club should be entering to be allowed to take part?
One.
Scott wrote:The NWOA round was cancelled so all NWOA clubs were put through to the final on the condition that they raised full teams. LOC were unable to raise a full team and were therefore deemed non-competitive by the organisers.
That isn't clear on the CSC webpage, if indeed it was the case?
What has happened to the wider review of the CSC? Desperately needs a re-think.
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If the Bickerton heat had gone ahead then only 1 of SROC, LOC, DEE would have qualified for the final. Given that all 3 were allowed to run in the final then maybe they should have been competing against each other first, and then the winner of that goes forward to count in the main competition. The number of counting runners doesn't need to be taken into consideration. It might make scoring a bit complicated though, with clubs being swapped in and out of the main results as the heat competition unfolds.
For the cup, the end result would have been the same - SROCs results counting and LOCs not counting. In the trophy both PFO and SELOC were allowed to count even though SELOC did not have a full team. How much difference would it have made if SELOC were excluded from the results?
For the cup, the end result would have been the same - SROCs results counting and LOCs not counting. In the trophy both PFO and SELOC were allowed to count even though SELOC did not have a full team. How much difference would it have made if SELOC were excluded from the results?
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pgupnorth wrote:If a club that gets to the Final can't raising a scoring team should they be able to compete?
Well, since the current scoring system makes it impossible to win, so you obviously decided that they can't compete to win. The issue is whether random people from other clubs can affect the winners. Long ago, the CSC was a series of head to heads between pairs of teams. When you changed that, you decided people from third clubs could affect the results. I don't see why it matters which clubs they run for.
In fact, particularly for the CST teams, it might be better if we were scored alongside the CSC - it would certainly make every extra minute gained/lost matter, in a way it doesn't really at the moment.
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Len wrote:That isn't clear on the CSC webpage, if indeed it was the case?
I'm not sure why you doubt my honesty, but it was very clear in the email to NWOA club captains.
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Because the official (?) webpage makes no mention of any such requirement. I’d expect it to, in order to avoid some of the confusion already outlined in this thread, but am happy to take your word for it.
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I can confirm that as Scott says the situation was made perfectly clear to the affected clubs who were due to be at the Bickerton round.
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Re: Compass Sport Cup/Trophy final
If you try to impose a minimum number X requirement you have to cover things like a club entering with X or more, but doesn't have X scorers on the day. Club members go sick before the day and don't travel. Or travel but don't start. Or start but fail to finish/DQd/pick up the wrong map. Etc.
There is another ambiguity in the rules, whereby a tie is broken by scorer X+1, but it isn't clear what happens if one or both clubs don't have that extra scorer.
There is another ambiguity in the rules, whereby a tie is broken by scorer X+1, but it isn't clear what happens if one or both clubs don't have that extra scorer.
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Re: Compass Sport Cup/Trophy final
The club without the extra scorer loses. It happened to us once! The perils of being a genuinely small club This year we did have precisely one extra scorer: but would have lost on the tiebreak if we hadn't already lost by one point.
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