If you live in a Tier 3 area are you allowed to attend an event in a Tier 2 area?
I ask because EBOR are hosting an event on Monday 28th, they are in a Tier 2 area. We live in East Yorkshire (Tier 3). When we entered there was going to be a suspension of travel restrictions. This has now been cancelled.
It is claimed that North Yorkshire Police have been fining people for visiting from tier 3 areas.
There is no information in the pre-event details.
Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
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Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
Heavily discouraged but not oficially banned.
This affected our neighbours from Kent when they were in tier 3 coming to our Sussex events (tier 2).
This affected our neighbours from Kent when they were in tier 3 coming to our Sussex events (tier 2).
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
Can the police fine you for travelling between areas?
I understand it's not encouraged, but illegal and fine?
I understand it's not encouraged, but illegal and fine?
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
I think the police are fining people from tier 3 for doing things in tier 2 areas that are illegal in tier 3 areas not for travelling to them or through them.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
The short answer is "No".
In more detail, non-essential travel into and out of a tier 3 area is strongly discouraged though not actually illegal.
However, for sporting events need to comply with the regulations from the governing body - which in our case state (in red):
"People should not travel into or out of a tier 3 (very high alert) area in order to participate in or volunteer at an orienteering competition or activity."
This has been particularly frustrating for me as I live in an area that has changed in and out of tier 3 close to other areas that have changed at different times in different directions and close to the border of Wales that has been illegal to cross for much of the year. Pre-entering events is a bit of a lottery.
Now, you would probably get away with it if you choose to ignore this. It is not actually a crime so you won't get a fixed penalty notice from the police. While the club will request people from a different tier should not enter their event, the entries system won't check your home address.
It is all probably irrelevant anyway as we will all be in tier 4 pretty soon.
In more detail, non-essential travel into and out of a tier 3 area is strongly discouraged though not actually illegal.
However, for sporting events need to comply with the regulations from the governing body - which in our case state (in red):
"People should not travel into or out of a tier 3 (very high alert) area in order to participate in or volunteer at an orienteering competition or activity."
This has been particularly frustrating for me as I live in an area that has changed in and out of tier 3 close to other areas that have changed at different times in different directions and close to the border of Wales that has been illegal to cross for much of the year. Pre-entering events is a bit of a lottery.
Now, you would probably get away with it if you choose to ignore this. It is not actually a crime so you won't get a fixed penalty notice from the police. While the club will request people from a different tier should not enter their event, the entries system won't check your home address.
It is all probably irrelevant anyway as we will all be in tier 4 pretty soon.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
I live in the pan-galactic "north-east", so have been stuck in tier 3 forever, despite being a member of a Cumbrian club, and living very close to the county boundary. As Pete states, BO say not to travel from tier 3 to a lower tier to attend an event. Personally, I would not put an organising club in the embarrasing position of asking me not to attend, or be asked to account for my attendence.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
pete.owens wrote:The short answer is "No".
Actually the short answer is "Only to enable activities for U18 and disabled people"
pete.owens wrote:In more detail, non-essential travel into and out of a tier 3 area is strongly discouraged though not actually illegal.
However, for sporting events need to comply with the regulations from the governing body - which in our case state (in red):
"People should not travel into or out of a tier 3 (very high alert) area in order to participate in or volunteer at an orienteering competition or activity."
The full quote is actually:
“People should not travel into or out of a tier 3 (very high alert) area in order to participate in or volunteer at an orienteering competition or activity. This does not apply to travel where it is necessary to enable supervised coaching sessions or competitions for under-18s or activities for disabled people, although in these cases travel should still be minimised and kept to short distances only.”
pete.owens wrote:It is all probably irrelevant anyway as we will all be in tier 4 pretty soon.
Hopefully not in the areas where infection rates are falling.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
buzz wrote: This does not apply to travel where it is necessary to enable supervised coaching sessions or competitions for under-18s or activities for disabled people, although in these cases travel should still be minimised and kept to short distances only.”
So Buzz, do you interpret this to mean it's OK to travel from Tier 3 to Tier 2 for an event if you are a parent with U18 children? And, if so, would you consider it OK to have a run yourself whilst you're there?
Hopefully not in the areas where infection rates are falling.
I don't think there'll be any such place after Christmas.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
pete.owens wrote:Pre-entering events is a bit of a lottery.
And behold, Matt Hancock appears, and I am now in a different tier to the event I entered on Monday!
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
buzz wrote:pete.owens wrote:The short answer is "No".
Actually the short answer is "Only to enable activities for U18 and disabled people"
"No" is still the answer to the question that the OP actually asked:
"If you live in a Tier 3 area are you allowed to attend an event in a Tier 2 area?"
On the other hand, had a different question beenasked - say:
"If you live in a Tier 3 area are you allowed to coach juniors in a Tier 2 area?"
then there would be a different answer.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
Another interesting question is tier 3 v tier 3.
If you live in a tier 3 area, how far are you allowed to travel?
The rules on this seem very unclear. They refer to
If it's the former it would imply that, as the situation in the country worsens and more parts move into tier 3, then you would be permitted to travel more widely. That clearly would be nonsense, but then a lot of the rules appear nonsensical in isolation.
If you live in a tier 3 area, how far are you allowed to travel?
The rules on this seem very unclear. They refer to
So are you allowed to travel as far as you like without moving into a lower tier? Or are you restricted to your own area (county or whatever)?People should not travel into or out of a tier 3 (very high alert) area in order to participate in .....
If it's the former it would imply that, as the situation in the country worsens and more parts move into tier 3, then you would be permitted to travel more widely. That clearly would be nonsense, but then a lot of the rules appear nonsensical in isolation.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
pete.owens wrote:buzz wrote:pete.owens wrote:The short answer is "No".
Actually the short answer is "Only to enable activities for U18 and disabled people"
"No" is still the answer to the question that the OP actually asked:
"If you live in a Tier 3 area are you allowed to attend an event in a Tier 2 area?"
On the other hand, had a different question beenasked - say:
"If you live in a Tier 3 area are you allowed to coach juniors in a Tier 2 area?"
then there would be a different answer.
You're just making stuff up as you go along now Pete!
The guidelines say coaching AND competitions so clearly juniors can attend events unless of course the organisers or landowners impose their own restrictions.
The government is keen to promote youth sport as much as possible and orienteering is not alone in this respect - my kids play National League basketball which also allows travel between tiers.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
Homer wrote:So Buzz, do you interpret this to mean it's OK to travel from Tier 3 to Tier 2 for an event if you are a parent with U18 children? And, if so, would you consider it OK to have a run yourself whilst you're there?
Yes anyone 'enabling' the coaching or competition can travel so parents generally have to go. Car pooling is discouraged but not forbidden. The last event we entered I asked the organiser if I could shadow Micro Buzz which they were happy with - we didn't go in the end because he was injured.
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
Just because you can find an interpretation of the Covid tier rules that allow you to carry on going to events or training doesn't mean you should take advantage of it.
This virus transmits by contact/proximity to others, be it in a car on the way there, brief interactions in car parks or the forest. The new variant seems to be better at transmission so much of the guidance on what is a risky length of time to be near others needs to be reestablished. 1 in 3 don't know they have it while they are happily passing it on.
The best way to avoid the risk is to keep away from others, especially southerners from tier 4 areas, whatever you are doing. If this means not orienteering at events for a long time it's a price worth paying to stay alive.
And please can anyone not wearing a mask over mouth and nose pleased be given a good slap. It's not there to keep your chin warm or keep your gaping mouth shut!
This virus transmits by contact/proximity to others, be it in a car on the way there, brief interactions in car parks or the forest. The new variant seems to be better at transmission so much of the guidance on what is a risky length of time to be near others needs to be reestablished. 1 in 3 don't know they have it while they are happily passing it on.
The best way to avoid the risk is to keep away from others, especially southerners from tier 4 areas, whatever you are doing. If this means not orienteering at events for a long time it's a price worth paying to stay alive.
And please can anyone not wearing a mask over mouth and nose pleased be given a good slap. It's not there to keep your chin warm or keep your gaping mouth shut!
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Re: Tier 2 Vs Tier 3
DM wrote:Just because you can find an interpretation of the Covid tier rules that allow you to carry on going to events or training doesn't mean you should take advantage of it.
Its not an interpretation of the rules - it's government policy to allow youth sport to continue during the pandemic - for very good reason in my opinion. British Orienteering quite rightly follow government policy. If you have a problem with that policy I suggest you contact your local MP or sign a petition or something.
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