I tried MapRunF for the first time this morning; it worked fine but took a little getting used to. After warming up (studiously keeping more than 15m from the start), when I selected "go to start" I discovered I'd already started! (I had of course selected "go to start" some time before and then gone back to the home screen.) After fixing that, the main thing that took me by surprise was that I got a beep for every control, not just the next in sequence (i.e. if I ran past 3 on the way from 6 to 7, it beeped). I guess this is no different to SIAC; it's just that with 15m tolerance rather than 30cm it happens a lot more often. Thanks to SN for putting on the course I ran, I'll certainly try another.
However, although I could view my route, splits etc on the phone afterwards, and compare with others, the screen is a bit on the small side, and I couldn't find how to do the same on a PC; there is a page of results, but they appear to be in a somewhat random order, and the event I did wasn't amongst them. Maybe someone can explain this, please?
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I have also found the results page tricky to search, however the filter does work pretty well.
Some clubs have consistently added a club or series name to the course titles which allows easy searching for related events.
Note that the SN Heatherside course was set up as 'Hatherside' in MaprunF, which should help you find what you're looking for.
Some clubs have consistently added a club or series name to the course titles which allows easy searching for related events.
Note that the SN Heatherside course was set up as 'Hatherside' in MaprunF, which should help you find what you're looking for.
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Marco Polo wrote:I have also found the results page tricky to search, however the filter does work pretty well.
Some clubs have consistently added a club or series name to the course titles which allows easy searching for related events.
Note that the SN Heatherside course was set up as 'Hatherside' in MaprunF, which should help you find what you're looking for.
Thanks - I should have spotted that!
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I think all clubs have developed their own ways to show results, routes etc. Our club's MapRunF guru, Mark Webster, has made a neat page where you can download the map (to print) and view the results and routes (on the phone or a larger screen): http://www.noc-uk.org/docs/2020/MapRunF ... mshire.pdf
One problem I have found is the slowness of my phone to beep compared with my jogging companion's! Last week I faffed for just over 1 minute in a control circle before I got a beep, much to my annoyance but I suspect I could have just run on and added my 'visit' to that control later. I'll try that next time!
One problem I have found is the slowness of my phone to beep compared with my jogging companion's! Last week I faffed for just over 1 minute in a control circle before I got a beep, much to my annoyance but I suspect I could have just run on and added my 'visit' to that control later. I'll try that next time!
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One of the kids I was running with yesterday said the phone had pinged when we were virtually at the control, only to find out later that the ping was a text, and the control hadn’t registered after all. It is also an interesting means of checking out how accurate your maps are. If the control is a tree in the middle of a playing field, you run to the tree but if the tree is inaccurately mapped, MapRunF won’t register you as being in the correct place and won’t ping.
It’s a faff carrying a phone when running, but a fun concept and good for beginners to get some feedback.
It’s a faff carrying a phone when running, but a fun concept and good for beginners to get some feedback.
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housewife wrote:It’s a faff carrying a phone when running
There's a Garmin watch version now called MapRunG - I haven't got it to work yet, but it should be better than carrying a phone once its a bit more robust.
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MapRunG is amazing. Really faffy to set up, but once done works well. Possibly better than with the phone as the GPS is better.
Re map accuracy, MapRun has made us realise quite how badly misaligned (stretched) one of our main maps is. The solution was to use the correct GPS locations based on Google Earth / test runs (rather than the map), and use the paper map for navigation. This works well except that the RouteGadget track is unusable, as it overlays the ‘correct’ track onto a ‘wrong’ map.
Re map accuracy, MapRun has made us realise quite how badly misaligned (stretched) one of our main maps is. The solution was to use the correct GPS locations based on Google Earth / test runs (rather than the map), and use the paper map for navigation. This works well except that the RouteGadget track is unusable, as it overlays the ‘correct’ track onto a ‘wrong’ map.
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Re: MapRunF
housewife wrote:One of the kids I was running with yesterday said the phone had pinged when we were virtually at the control, only to find out later that the ping was a text, and the control hadn’t registered after all. It is also an interesting means of checking out how accurate your maps are. If the control is a tree in the middle of a playing field, you run to the tree but if the tree is inaccurately mapped, MapRunF won’t register you as being in the correct place and won’t ping.
It’s a faff carrying a phone when running, but a fun concept and good for beginners to get some feedback.
You can always switch the phone into "flight" mode, which should disable other sources of pings. I did that today, on a different course, and it seemed that the controls registered more accurately. Whether this was down to better GPS coverage, better georeferencing of that map, or lower loading on the phone's processor I can't say.
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buzz wrote:housewife wrote:It’s a faff carrying a phone when running
There's a Garmin watch version now called MapRunG - I haven't got it to work yet, but it should be better than carrying a phone once its a bit more robust.
I've used MaprunG on more courses now than MaprunF on the phone. The app on watch is far more accurate as uses watch GPS and also easier to run with paper map and watch not carrying a phone.
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Not sure why orienteers would want to run round looking at the map on the phone or perhaps I have misunderstood.
It's easy to put the phone in a 'holder' on the arm if you have one. I use a bumbag and have the map in my hand.
It's easy to put the phone in a 'holder' on the arm if you have one. I use a bumbag and have the map in my hand.
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I don't have a printer at home so have to use the map on the phone. It's an interesting experience, it forces me to rely less on the compass (as there is something magnetic in my phone) and distance estimation (as the scale is variable and I change it all the time to see the whole leg or zoom in on the control when I approach it). Also, the GPS on my phone is not great and it's nice to be able to check that the right control has been punched, particularly for close controls.
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Nottinghamshire outlaw wrote:One problem I have found is the slowness of my phone to beep compared with my jogging companion's! Last week I faffed for just over 1 minute in a control circle before I got a beep, much to my annoyance but I suspect I could have just run on and added my 'visit' to that control later. I'll try that next time!
I now don't stop at a control to wait for it to beep if I'm 100% sure I'm in the right place. As you say, carry on, and then sort it out using the HITMO option in the app. Almost every time it's not been so much speed of the phone (although that can be an issue) but the (in!)accuracy of the track that's the problem. I've been running the last couple of weeks with MaprunG, and that, as noted elsewhere here, has proved more reliable, with a more accurate track. As mentioned, it's a faff to set up, but once done so, it's nicely straightforward, with the only caveat that one has to sometimes be a bit patient with the system transferring the course details and track from the watch to Garmin to Maprun at the end - results aren't quite as instantaneous! I don't know whether that's been affected the past few days by Garmin's outage, as we've been away doing something different to orienteering!
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Re: MapRunF
roadrunner wrote:I tried MapRunF for the first time this morning; it worked fine but took a little getting used to. After warming up (studiously keeping more than 15m from the start), when I selected "go to start" I discovered I'd already started! (I had of course selected "go to start" some time before and then gone back to the home screen.) After fixing that, the main thing that took me by surprise was that I got a beep for every control, not just the next in sequence (i.e. if I ran past 3 on the way from 6 to 7, it beeped). I guess this is no different to SIAC; it's just that with 15m tolerance rather than 30cm it happens a lot more often. Thanks to SN for putting on the course I ran, I'll certainly try another.
We have found it best to have the start at least 50m away from the car park, to avoid any false starts. You are very optimistic if you believe keeping 15m away is ok not to be found within 15m zone and get the beep. There are GPS and mapping errors to take into account.
When running, MaprunF does not know the course, if running a linear course, but there are a few parameters it uses. The finish will only be activated if you have at least one control, so don't place the last control or legs that pass close to the finish as that will end your run prematurely.
It is showing that our mapping and the GPS are not always as accurate we thought. GPS does not like tree cover/leaves and steep ground (when at the foot). Also if the phone is in a bum bag, is your body may be shielding the phone from some satellites, so less accurate.
Its good for open areas such as parks etc not sure about forests, where you can place the controls from google earth.
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I have been playing around mapping golf courses in St Andrews during furlough and had quite a few trips walking, running and cycling on the fairly extensive path network. I georeferenced images (and had LiDAR data) and had a much better fit from the GPS on my phone (using an app called Avenza Maps that allowed me to import geotiff files) than the tracks I downloaded from my Garmin Forerunner 235. I understand that on the Forerunner you can change the GPS settings - can anyone advise what is best? Tracks in WGS84 were corrected to British National Grid (in GlobalMapper) and used in ArcGIS.
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Dillotford wrote:You are very optimistic if you believe keeping 15m away is ok not to be found within 15m zone and get the beep. There are GPS and mapping errors to take into account.
When I said "more than 15m" I actually meant "a lot more than 15m" - though maybe at some point I'd inadvertently gone a bit closer as I was checking where the start actually was while warming up.
Another factor I spotted was that the quality of my home-printed maps doesn't match the ones we normally use at events (I have an inkjet printer), and that meant that some of the narrow paths weren't very visible. Of course, I may have been printing at the wrong scale, since the maps don't always have the usual distance scale included. Maybe, for these events, it would be worth widening narrow features to allow for "amateur" printing?
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