WMOC 2019
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WMOC 2019
What's going on in Latvia? I just looked through the results and nearly every race was down as "voided". Well done to Nick Barrable for winning anyway.
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Re: WMOC 2019
I'm told by my man on the ground that an alleyway that was marked on the map as passable was locked for the entirety of the race.
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Re: WMOC 2019
Angle grinder and bolt cutters will be on hand for WOC 2022
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Re: WMOC 2019
I believe it was the 'corridor' used in WOC 2018. I heard the owner/manager objected on the day, marshall deployed to turn people away from quite early on.
It effected medal outcomes on some courses, but it seems all courses with controls in the courtyard (most of the courses) were voided.
It effected medal outcomes on some courses, but it seems all courses with controls in the courtyard (most of the courses) were voided.
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Re: WMOC 2019
Sweet talk and early consultation probably needed in this case, and may be better in Edinburgh too!
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Re: WMOC 2019
We had the same problem at the World Ranking Event in Bo'ness. I found the blocked alleyway 20 mins before the start. We didn't faff around with...
... instead, we just rounded up volunteers with biros to draw small black lines on the maps. Nobody complained, I'm not aware anyone even noticed, and by the time the controller found out, assembly was full of happy competitors. It's so sad that "certain people" would rather see events voided than bend their rules.
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Marshal deployed ... Angle grinder ... Boltcutters ... Sweet Talk
... instead, we just rounded up volunteers with biros to draw small black lines on the maps. Nobody complained, I'm not aware anyone even noticed, and by the time the controller found out, assembly was full of happy competitors. It's so sad that "certain people" would rather see events voided than bend their rules.
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Re: WMOC 2019
Black biros and sufficient knowledgeable volunteers might have saved some of the later finals, but wouldn't have helped the early finals if (and this is speculation) the gate was locked by an irate owner in response to the first few dozen competitors going that way. Perhaps the organisers hoped in vain that the jury wouldn't void the affected courses. Word had certainly got round that there was a problem.
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Re: WMOC 2019
From the WMOC page
“In Sprint Final in many classes results were voided. Organizers received complaints and also several protests about a gate being closed (which is open on the map). Gate was closed because owner did not open it on 7.07 morning as agreed before. We reached to the owner over the phone and she organised a person with the keys but none of them worked. Jury went through all courses and voided results for classes where any reasonable route choice might go through those gates.”
“In Sprint Final in many classes results were voided. Organizers received complaints and also several protests about a gate being closed (which is open on the map). Gate was closed because owner did not open it on 7.07 morning as agreed before. We reached to the owner over the phone and she organised a person with the keys but none of them worked. Jury went through all courses and voided results for classes where any reasonable route choice might go through those gates.”
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Re: WMOC 2019
This is starting to look like major incompetence though
If an irate owner locks a door, that's one thing (although still avoidable)
If you were expecting a gate to be unlocked, but it didn't happen, that's another: surely you just don't start the race until it's sorted ?!
If an irate owner locks a door, that's one thing (although still avoidable)
If you were expecting a gate to be unlocked, but it didn't happen, that's another: surely you just don't start the race until it's sorted ?!
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Re: WMOC 2019
With the door closed and locked, the mapped alleyway was not obvious. People were running through open shop doorways instead. I believe this is where the reports of irate owners comes from.
As far as I can make out, the owner of the alleyway was still happy for the door to be open, but there was confusion/cock-up over the keys.
Massive sympathy for the planner and the volunteers whose work has been wasted.
It seems the event organiser knew of the problem before the event started and did nothing to mitigate it. If this is true, he deserves all the flack he will get. It would have been simple to put back the start, and display maps in the start lanes showing the location of the problem.
Hopefully some good will come of this, if IOF are forced to drag their rules out of the pin-punch age and permit a single leg time to be removed from the results. Not perfect, but better than voiding courses.
As far as I can make out, the owner of the alleyway was still happy for the door to be open, but there was confusion/cock-up over the keys.
Massive sympathy for the planner and the volunteers whose work has been wasted.
It seems the event organiser knew of the problem before the event started and did nothing to mitigate it. If this is true, he deserves all the flack he will get. It would have been simple to put back the start, and display maps in the start lanes showing the location of the problem.
Hopefully some good will come of this, if IOF are forced to drag their rules out of the pin-punch age and permit a single leg time to be removed from the results. Not perfect, but better than voiding courses.
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Re: WMOC 2019
Refunds should be issued.
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IanD wrote:Hopefully some good will come of this, if IOF are forced to drag their rules out of the pin-punch age and permit a single leg time to be removed from the results. Not perfect, but better than voiding courses.
But then what do you do about those who, knowing about the issue before they start, use it to their advantage? The race effectively becomes two races with an untimed time-out in the middle with the option to plan (or even explore) the second half of the course.
IMHO voiding is, unfortunately, the only fair option.
What I can't understand is why the organising team didn't check the door was open before the race started. As far as I can tell, there was just this one place where there was 'indoor' route choice and therefore it wouldn't be too onerous to have a marshal there for the duration of the race.
I'm feeling quite smug that I decided to go to the Italian 5 Days instead of WMOC.
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Re: WMOC 2019
Homer wrote:But then what do you do about those who, knowing about the issue before they start, use it to their advantage? The race effectively becomes two races with an untimed time-out in the middle with the option to plan (or even explore) the second half of the course.
Surely you could limit the excluded time to something reasonable given the length of the leg concerned? If previous finishers (or others) can pass on information about the course to those yet to start, surely that's unfair regardless of this sort of issue.
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Re: WMOC 2019
WMOC is essentially a fun holiday event: it is completely random whether the best competitors in any class are actually present, and it is impractical to to have the quarantine and other arrangements that are used to try and ensure WOC, World Cup etc are fair.
So it should be treated as such by competitors. Okay, so for this race the results were voided. But most people still enjoyed their run, and are having a good time.
So it should be treated as such by competitors. Okay, so for this race the results were voided. But most people still enjoyed their run, and are having a good time.
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