The JK 2019
Moderators: [nope] cartel, team nopesport
Re: The JK 2019
Provisional results have appeared - but now the website seems to be playing up again, presumably because some of us are trying to look at them. It's interesting that most (all?) of the other events on the race-results.info front page are actually hosted on either race-results.info or athlinks.com (and respond much faster), whereas the JK is still on raceprogress.com.
- roadrunner
- addict
- Posts: 1059
- Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:30 pm
Re: The JK 2019
roadrunner wrote:Provisional results have appeared - but now the website seems to be playing up again, presumably because some of us are trying to look at them. It's interesting that most (all?) of the other events on the race-results.info front page are actually hosted on either race-results.info or athlinks.com (and respond much faster), whereas the JK is still on raceprogress.com.
The website doesn’t seem to allow any searching or else it is very very slow.
The notes with the results are blaming user error for the high level of disqualifications, claiming that the % of disqualifications decreased over the weekend as competitors got used to the system....?
- RoT
- orange
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Tue May 16, 2017 8:14 am
Re: The JK 2019
The excuse for reason about mis-punching is barely believable.
Have tried 4 searches under the Class tab on combined results and on 3 occasions have following message
504 Gateway Time-out
The server didn't respond in time.
What a heap of sh1t.
Have tried 4 searches under the Class tab on combined results and on 3 occasions have following message
504 Gateway Time-out
The server didn't respond in time.
What a heap of sh1t.
- RichT
- yellow
- Posts: 92
- Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:45 pm
Re: The JK 2019
RichT wrote:The excuse for reason about mis-punching is barely believable.
Have tried 4 searches under the Class tab on combined results and on 3 occasions have following message
504 Gateway Time-out
The server didn't respond in time.
What a heap of sh1t.
And so the farce continues. No doubt there will be a statement made about how the malfunctioning website is down to 'user error'
I wonder if they will be transparent about how many elites had a punch register on one but not the other? Or would that be too revealing?
- spitalfields
- orange
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:54 pm
Re: The JK 2019
I think it's going to be a struggle for all 4,500 entrants to check their results by Sunday. Unless they can somehow increase the bandwidth we need a rota to avoid too many trying to get access at the same time
The comments also mention the lack of a backup pin punch as a reason for disqualifications. Was there any sort of backup? I didn't notice any...
The comments also mention the lack of a backup pin punch as a reason for disqualifications. Was there any sort of backup? I didn't notice any...
-
Homer - diehard
- Posts: 968
- Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:10 pm
- Location: Springfield
Re: The JK 2019
And there is a very obvious error on the Relay mixed ad-hoc result where the 1st team has 5 runners and has notionally taken far longer than the 2nd team. And these have been checked!
- MJG
- white
- Posts: 66
- Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:25 am
Re: The JK 2019
MJG wrote:And there is a very obvious error on the Relay mixed ad-hoc result where the 1st team has 5 runners and has notionally taken far longer than the 2nd team. And these have been checked!
At least you have managed to see some results!
One would have thought that after the fiasco of the weekend, they would have thoroughly tested everything, before posting results again....
- RoT
- orange
- Posts: 145
- Joined: Tue May 16, 2017 8:14 am
Re: The JK 2019
So very disappointed to not be able to view the results STILL, but also by the non apologetic statement. I'm sorry it's not up to the job and neither is the aftercare. We are all very capable of operating the device thank you! The many disqualifications on the mini relay were, as far as I can tell, due to them still working on the course info from Sunday!! We had parents/competitors/officials in that tent constantly on Monday trying to resolve EMIT issues, not driver error!
- amanda
- string
- Posts: 12
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:23 pm
- Location: holmfirth
Re: The JK 2019
Homer wrote:The comments also mention the lack of a backup pin punch as a reason for disqualifications. Was there any sort of backup? I didn't notice any...
Each touch-free base unit had a pin punch attached. Some were swinging freely from a cable tie at the top of the unit (as you read the number), some were swinging freely on a vertical bolt screwed in at the same point, and the units that had to be made specially (with numbers below 100 and above 200) had punches that pivoted stiffly on a similar bolt on the left-hand side. The latter were the most satisfactory as the punches could be swung outwards when the control was hung and would stay there, in view.
I can't speak for the set of units that was used on days 2 and 4, but each of the day 1 / day 3 units had its punch.
-
Roger - diehard
- Posts: 652
- Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:49 pm
- Location: Oxon
Re: The JK 2019
spitalfields wrote:I wonder if they will be transparent about how many elites had a punch register on one but not the other? Or would that be too revealing?
You're assuming someone was keeping track of those numbers...
Check out The Run In for all your orienteering podcast needs https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-ru ... refid=stpr
Team Maprunner https://www.maprunner.co.uk/
Routegadget 2 https://www.routegadget.co.uk/#
Team Maprunner https://www.maprunner.co.uk/
Routegadget 2 https://www.routegadget.co.uk/#
- JamesE
- white
- Posts: 77
- Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:21 pm
- Location: Southampton
Re: The JK 2019
I get a “gateway time out” error message trying to access any of the results. Hope the results provider is providing a refund to the event organisers!
- spur
- string
- Posts: 2
- Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:51 pm
Re: The JK 2019
JK Website wrote:Provisional results are now available on the Race Results website.
Event Officials are continuing to carry out their own reviews in parallel.
In accordance with BOF Rules for Level A events, runners who have taken controls out of order or have not been able to provide evidence of a punch, either by a backup pin-punch or electronically, have been disqualified.
To the best of our knowledge, this event was the largest UK event to provide touch-free punching for every competitor and consequently this was a new experience for many. Disqualifications progressively decreased from Days 1 to 3 with Day 1: 8%, Day 2: 6% and Day 3: 4%, perhaps as people's experience with the technology increased.
If you believe that your time is wrong or the rule on mispunching has not been correctly applied, please contact allan@emit-uk.com in the first instance. If that does not resolve the matter and you wish to make a formal complaint, you may contact jkcoordinator@britishorienteering.com who will forward your complaint to the appropriate Day Organiser per the BOF Complaints, Protests and Appeals procedure.
We would like to apologise for the problems some of you experienced at download and the knock-on effects this had on prize-giving, commentary and the delays in providing results. We hope that this did not detract too much from your overall enjoyment of JK2019.
Up to now I was trying to defend the organisers, but this is dreadful. What do they think they're hoping to achieve by blaming the users?
I suspect most of the decrease in % can be explained by the nature of the races (fewer or lower frequency of controls in Middle and Long) and folk stopping instead of trying to run through the controls, but the big question is - if the technology is so reliable why were the elite runners given two emiTags?
JK Website wrote:In accordance with BOF Rules for Level A events, runners who have taken controls out of order or have not been able to provide evidence of a punch, either by a backup pin-punch or electronically, have been disqualified.
Perhaps if the organisers or Emit UK had paid a bit more attention to the rules before the event things might have been a bit different.
From BOF Rules (Requirements for Level A Events):
* An approved electronic punching system must be used, with a back-up punching system.
* A PA system, if permitted by the landowner, is to be provided along with radio controls, a spectator control and commentary on the races.
* Ways of informing the spectators about the courses and competitors should be provided. Such as GPS tracking, arena intranet, live results on a screen.
* Back up timing & results system.
* Results must be displayed at the arena.
* They must be on the event website within 24 hours.
* Post event route analysis and graphical split time analysis must be offered via the website.
* The results must be published on the British Orienteering website within 7 days.
* All facilities must be capable of handling the expected number of competitors and spectators.
They didn't manage to deliver any of these for all four days.
To oblivion and beyond....
-
buzz - addict
- Posts: 1196
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 10:45 pm
- Location: Sheffield
Re: The JK 2019
Homer wrote:I think it's going to be a struggle for all 4,500 entrants to check their results by Sunday. Unless they can somehow increase the bandwidth we need a rota to avoid too many trying to get access at the same time
The comments also mention the lack of a backup pin punch as a reason for disqualifications. Was there any sort of backup? I didn't notice any...
There were backup pin punches , but you're not going to start punching them when you've seen your light flashing, are you.....? But some people still had controls not register.
- BOK_has_been
- string
- Posts: 4
- Joined: Sun May 09, 2010 7:29 pm
- Location: Sheffield
Re: The JK 2019
No joy from the results website. It feels like the 1990s. Cmon guys, these are pages of data that we're trying to look at - it's not as if we're trying to download movies.
- Adrian
- blue
- Posts: 468
- Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:12 pm
- Location: Brum
Re: The JK 2019
spitalfields wrote:I wonder if they will be transparent about how many elites had a punch register on one but not the other? Or would that be too revealing?
I don't understand how this information can be useful. We won't know if such occurrences are a result of incorrect punching (too fast, too far) or malfunctioning devices. We also won't know if in such instances both emitags flashed, only one or none.
- MChub
- off string
- Posts: 35
- Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:43 pm
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 81 guests