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Four days of really enjoyable orienteering. Cold Ash was the highlight for me - full marks to the planner for setting up a long leg that produced a variety of route choices despite the constraints of the area. The atmosphere in the arena each day was great as well, doubtless helped by the fact that there were no long walks between parking/arena/starts. Thank you to all the volunteers who helped to make it happen.
JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
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JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
So how can you talk about the JK when you are still waiting to find out the results.
I presume the relays have finished by now (5.30pm), but no results anywhere.
Routegadget is locked until individual results are finalised, so have any trophies been awarded?
As someone who enjoys following orienteering as it happens this JK has been a joke. WOC with it's GPS & TV is the leader in the game, but even the more lowly BSOC can get results up almost as they happen.
There will have to be a decision made never to use Emit again & to stick to SI. As one of the flagship events in the UK it has been an embarrassment.
I presume the relays have finished by now (5.30pm), but no results anywhere.
Routegadget is locked until individual results are finalised, so have any trophies been awarded?
As someone who enjoys following orienteering as it happens this JK has been a joke. WOC with it's GPS & TV is the leader in the game, but even the more lowly BSOC can get results up almost as they happen.
There will have to be a decision made never to use Emit again & to stick to SI. As one of the flagship events in the UK it has been an embarrassment.
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
One post!
You talk about the qualities of the courses. I'm recovering from injuries so I only did the novice and light greens but they were good for me in my current condition. And my start kite was close to my start line.
You talk about the great arenas. Days two and three were especially good. I missed relays.
You talk about the helpfulness of the officials (or not) but my course and time changes were accommodated with smiles.
You talk about the first European TrailO Cup event in the UK ever and the several TrailO world champions that came to take part.
Maybe you pontificate on the difficulties overcome in putting on such a weekend.
Even talk about the weather.
You talk about the qualities of the courses. I'm recovering from injuries so I only did the novice and light greens but they were good for me in my current condition. And my start kite was close to my start line.
You talk about the great arenas. Days two and three were especially good. I missed relays.
You talk about the helpfulness of the officials (or not) but my course and time changes were accommodated with smiles.
You talk about the first European TrailO Cup event in the UK ever and the several TrailO world champions that came to take part.
Maybe you pontificate on the difficulties overcome in putting on such a weekend.
Even talk about the weather.
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
I thought the terrain was well suited to the disciplines they were used for, the planning was mostly excellent, the closeness of the parking and starts was definitely appreciated, the volunteers were all cheery, even in challenging situations. The standard of competition was very high: thanks to all involved. I’m looking forward to 2020 being a bit closer to home!
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
Yes completely brilliant JK apart from two things.
Well there were some trophies presented and I imagine social media has info by now. Twitter has the premier classes top 3 (with photos) if you go to the right place:
https://twitter.com/OnTheRedLineO/statu ... 8071535618
https://twitter.com/OnTheRedLineO/statu ... 1728486400
I presume the relays have finished by now (5.30pm), but no results anywhere.
Well there were some trophies presented and I imagine social media has info by now. Twitter has the premier classes top 3 (with photos) if you go to the right place:
https://twitter.com/OnTheRedLineO/statu ... 8071535618
https://twitter.com/OnTheRedLineO/statu ... 1728486400
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
Well done Scott, beat me to it on the separate thread.
The Family Buzz really enjoyed this year's JK - a good mix of areas with excellent maps, good courses (perhaps a few too many controls), great parking/assembly arrangements, and wonderful weather. Thanks to the many volunteers who made it all possible and I hope folk realise that the you weren't to blame for the disruptions.
The Family Buzz really enjoyed this year's JK - a good mix of areas with excellent maps, good courses (perhaps a few too many controls), great parking/assembly arrangements, and wonderful weather. Thanks to the many volunteers who made it all possible and I hope folk realise that the you weren't to blame for the disruptions.
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
I feel really sorry for the organisers to be honest. I've never organised a jk but I know from the volunteering I have done that you should leave it with a warm fuzzy feeling that makes you want to volunteer again and because of this small (yet huge) issue, they won't get that fuzzy feeling that encourages us all to give up our free time to put on an event like this. So great that there is a separate thread celebrating the jk. This isn't too underplay the emit issue but to recognise that it shouldn't define the event or devalue all of the work the volunteers put in. So here's to the positives:
The parking was not only close but a slick operation! The Ice cream van was much appreciated! Our kids had short walks to the start which is hugely helpful. 3 great arenas. Then there are the things that are only discussed if you get them wrong... the controls were in the right places, the descriptions matched and the map print quality was good...... Scratching the surface of the positives!
I know it will never make up for the issues but I hope that at least some of the team can hear the positives and say to themselves that they did their best and got a lot right and feel good about the effort they put in.
Thank you!
The parking was not only close but a slick operation! The Ice cream van was much appreciated! Our kids had short walks to the start which is hugely helpful. 3 great arenas. Then there are the things that are only discussed if you get them wrong... the controls were in the right places, the descriptions matched and the map print quality was good...... Scratching the surface of the positives!
I know it will never make up for the issues but I hope that at least some of the team can hear the positives and say to themselves that they did their best and got a lot right and feel good about the effort they put in.
Thank you!
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
I just did day 3 but enjoyed it. Did a yellow EOD with my nephew and it was great to have parking, start, finish and arena all near by. Reg was efficient, the food queues were short, the area was runnable and the sun shone.
My nephew’s last experience was a year or 2 ago in a cold blizzard where we had to get a bus to the event and usual walks to the start so this year’s experience was much better. Cycle events which I’ve mainly done recently take ages to get results up officially so probably prefer this year’s all round experience to the cold, spread out one.
My nephew’s last experience was a year or 2 ago in a cold blizzard where we had to get a bus to the event and usual walks to the start so this year’s experience was much better. Cycle events which I’ve mainly done recently take ages to get results up officially so probably prefer this year’s all round experience to the cold, spread out one.
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
I and partner did days 1-3 and thoroughly enjoyed the events. So a big thank you to all involved. The proximity of the parking, arenas and starts was a welcome perk, especially as we now have a small chick to look after. I feel sorry for the shadow cast by the timing/results problems. I hope that the job of sorting it out hasn't landed on a volunteer.
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The best word I can think of for this year's JK is brilliant. My daughter and I had good courses on good areas. The organisation was excellent. The arenas were excellent. The weather was beautiful. Sorry for those of you who had problems, but we didn't have any, so congratulations to the SCOA JK team for getting almost everything right!
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Agree that it was brilliant overall. Super slick organisation, everything close by and I even found Dave's maps really easy to read, which isn't always the case, so thank you for them.
The planning was generally good but not outstanding. (But I do have high standards.) The main issue is once again control inflation, I had over 100 controls over 4 days as I think did many people. Days 2 and 3 tried to introduce a bit of route choice (with mixed success), but I am 100% convinced that removing at least 5 controls each day would have made for much better courses.
I'm less fussed about all the timing issues as long as they sort it eventually, but then I wasn't waiting to get a prize and my emitag worked fine every day.
The planning was generally good but not outstanding. (But I do have high standards.) The main issue is once again control inflation, I had over 100 controls over 4 days as I think did many people. Days 2 and 3 tried to introduce a bit of route choice (with mixed success), but I am 100% convinced that removing at least 5 controls each day would have made for much better courses.
I'm less fussed about all the timing issues as long as they sort it eventually, but then I wasn't waiting to get a prize and my emitag worked fine every day.
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
My summary of the events I did:
This would be my biggest complaint: I originally entered the D3 Long by accident as I thought it was the same day as the PreO. I realised within a couple of mins so tried to Amend my entry to remove it. The page kept giving me an error saying I had to contact the event organisers ('jkentries@britishorienteering.org.uk') which I did, but got no response and saw no refund. I tried again with no result. Eventually I tried Fabian4 themselves and they told me that I'd only be entitled to 50% of the entry fee back which I thought was excessive since I'd tried to get it cancelled immediately after booking (I thought online purchases had a "cooldown" period). They suggested I contact the organisers on 'jkenquiries@britishorienteering.org.uk' - again I got no reply from them. Anyway I eventually sent them an email to say I'd just hang around an extra day and run anyway since I was fed up of the hassle, but I think it is worth checking whether either of those above email addresses work and if they ever replied (I know Alun Jones did about changing my start times so I could help with TrailO, but can't find anything else).
- Memory course: enjoyed by all the adults I spoke to, wasn't convinced it had much to do with orienteering (due to lack of any map), but great fun, a nice warmup for the sprint, and awesome to be beaten by so many kids who had single figure ages !
- Sprint: I did course 7 and felt there was plenty of route choice, maybe not the highest level of TD nor that long a longest leg, but felt it was a pretty decent course. Too bad I blew up 1/2 way round - combination of not enough liquid, going too fast at start, and not having recovered from my 7 min effort on the Memory Course
- TempO: Nice course, good variety, although personally I prefer natural terrain.
- Middle: Course 12 - very nice course, I enjoyed this one a lot
- PreO: Good variety and pretty decent course given the fairly late change of area.
- Long: Course 18 [see below for additional comments] an OK course, but it'd have been nice to have had some Long legs - it felt too much like a long Middle - and I messed up badly in the middle of the map when I encountered (as I worked out later) the start lane map corrections ... oops
This would be my biggest complaint: I originally entered the D3 Long by accident as I thought it was the same day as the PreO. I realised within a couple of mins so tried to Amend my entry to remove it. The page kept giving me an error saying I had to contact the event organisers ('jkentries@britishorienteering.org.uk') which I did, but got no response and saw no refund. I tried again with no result. Eventually I tried Fabian4 themselves and they told me that I'd only be entitled to 50% of the entry fee back which I thought was excessive since I'd tried to get it cancelled immediately after booking (I thought online purchases had a "cooldown" period). They suggested I contact the organisers on 'jkenquiries@britishorienteering.org.uk' - again I got no reply from them. Anyway I eventually sent them an email to say I'd just hang around an extra day and run anyway since I was fed up of the hassle, but I think it is worth checking whether either of those above email addresses work and if they ever replied (I know Alun Jones did about changing my start times so I could help with TrailO, but can't find anything else).
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
As I posted previously, I enjoyed the weekend immensely. While it's still fresh in my mind I also have a couple of suggestions/requests to make it even better (nothing to do with emit, I promise!):
1) Parent split starts. I was given open starts and my partner given timed starts. My suggestion is simply that the timed start is either early or late, so that there is bags of time for the other parent to run in the other half of the start window. In our case the timed starts were all almost exactly in the middle of the start window, and that made our schedule unnecessarily tight on day 3. We had a difficult decision to make on who should run first (influenced by our respecitve fitness, course length, competitiveness etc). In the end my partner ran first and volunteered to abandon her run at an agreed cut-off time if needed for me to get to the start before it closed. Luckily that wasn't necessary, but the day would have been easier if the timed start were either early or late.
We could have seen this coming and requested a change of start time but we didn't. Hands up for that. Nevertheless it seems logical to me to put the timed start early or late. This is our first JK with a baby in tow, so I'm new to the world of split starts and I've no idea if this is the normal default or not.
2) Map scales for M21V. Please please please can we have 1:10k instead of 1:15k for the long race? It would increase my enjoyment every year
I will resist the temptation to re-open the old debate on map scales. Suffice to say that the M21V class is not for elites or aspiring elites. Nor is it for people with `young' eyes (I will have to wait to be an M60 before I am able to enter a shorter TD5 course).
M21V is for people who want to run a short TD5 course. Please can we have an appropriate map scale.
Who decides this I wonder?
1) Parent split starts. I was given open starts and my partner given timed starts. My suggestion is simply that the timed start is either early or late, so that there is bags of time for the other parent to run in the other half of the start window. In our case the timed starts were all almost exactly in the middle of the start window, and that made our schedule unnecessarily tight on day 3. We had a difficult decision to make on who should run first (influenced by our respecitve fitness, course length, competitiveness etc). In the end my partner ran first and volunteered to abandon her run at an agreed cut-off time if needed for me to get to the start before it closed. Luckily that wasn't necessary, but the day would have been easier if the timed start were either early or late.
We could have seen this coming and requested a change of start time but we didn't. Hands up for that. Nevertheless it seems logical to me to put the timed start early or late. This is our first JK with a baby in tow, so I'm new to the world of split starts and I've no idea if this is the normal default or not.
2) Map scales for M21V. Please please please can we have 1:10k instead of 1:15k for the long race? It would increase my enjoyment every year
I will resist the temptation to re-open the old debate on map scales. Suffice to say that the M21V class is not for elites or aspiring elites. Nor is it for people with `young' eyes (I will have to wait to be an M60 before I am able to enter a shorter TD5 course).
M21V is for people who want to run a short TD5 course. Please can we have an appropriate map scale.
Who decides this I wonder?
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
This was an excellent JK weekend *
The website and Programme in advance were all good, and the arrangement of parking and arenas was the best ever. The maps and courses were all of a very high standard, as you'd hope for at a premier event. The sprint terrain wasn't as tricky as I'd have liked, but that's just personal preference. I enjoyed both forests, and despite the areas for the Middle and Relay both seeming quite small, the planners did a good job of squeezing the courses in.
The weather obviously helped a lot, but even without that, it would still have been great weekend of orienteering.
Thanks to the officials and huge number of volunteers that made it all happen!
* apart from the poor results and (lack of) meaningful commentary.
The website and Programme in advance were all good, and the arrangement of parking and arenas was the best ever. The maps and courses were all of a very high standard, as you'd hope for at a premier event. The sprint terrain wasn't as tricky as I'd have liked, but that's just personal preference. I enjoyed both forests, and despite the areas for the Middle and Relay both seeming quite small, the planners did a good job of squeezing the courses in.
The weather obviously helped a lot, but even without that, it would still have been great weekend of orienteering.
Thanks to the officials and huge number of volunteers that made it all happen!
* apart from the poor results and (lack of) meaningful commentary.
Martin Ward, SYO (Chair) & SPOOK.
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Re: JK2019 - the non-Emit thread
Spookster wrote:This was an excellent JK weekend *
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* apart from the poor results and (lack of) meaningful commentary.
I thought the commentary team did an excellent job given the lack of radio control or live results. It's hard to keep going for several hours with virtually no material to work with.
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