At the Orienteering Foundation we get involved it a variety of projects. But one area we are keen to do more in is supporting projects bringing new technology into the sport, especially where it can make orienteering more exciting for participants, or lower burden on volunteers. See article here for more details. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know (you can email me via the address in the article, or you are welcome to start discussion here).
Duncan Archer
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Re: Technology innovation
GPS trackers at all events for all competitors.
Fantastic for beginners - see where they really went rather than their guess work (or utter lack of knowledge). Great for risk management - no-one can ever be truly lost (as long as mobile coverage). Great for coaching higher level techniques.
Buying in bulk shouldn't cost more than £50-£80 per unit and must be possible to get a good data price for the numbers as well.
3 years ago cost was approx £100 per unit and £100 per unit per year for data (using then 3-4 times pre week). Details from HSK winter 2015/16.
Fantastic for beginners - see where they really went rather than their guess work (or utter lack of knowledge). Great for risk management - no-one can ever be truly lost (as long as mobile coverage). Great for coaching higher level techniques.
Buying in bulk shouldn't cost more than £50-£80 per unit and must be possible to get a good data price for the numbers as well.
3 years ago cost was approx £100 per unit and £100 per unit per year for data (using then 3-4 times pre week). Details from HSK winter 2015/16.
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^this. That running cost becomes much more reasonable with a centrally-held stock that can be in use every weekend.
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Scott wrote:^this. That running cost becomes much more reasonable with a centrally-held stock that can be in use every weekend.
BOF apply to Lottery Fund for 10,000 GPS units?
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One idea would be to make more of the data in the BO database available as open data in the same way as event data is currently available.
The kind of data could include:
- event results
- club membership totals over time
Individuals, clubs and regions often have meetings discussing development issues but don't have access to reliable current and long term information to answer questions such as
- is membership decreasing or increasing, and if so how much
- are more people going to regional events or less.
- which type of events are attracting which type of demographics.
So when they set aims or targets, they are less likely to be appropriate or achievable.
Ideally there would be come kind of reporting tool that can build these queries - the first step would be to ensure the data was always available using an open data API so that the underlying database could change without breaking any reporting tool.
The kind of data could include:
- event results
- club membership totals over time
Individuals, clubs and regions often have meetings discussing development issues but don't have access to reliable current and long term information to answer questions such as
- is membership decreasing or increasing, and if so how much
- are more people going to regional events or less.
- which type of events are attracting which type of demographics.
So when they set aims or targets, they are less likely to be appropriate or achievable.
Ideally there would be come kind of reporting tool that can build these queries - the first step would be to ensure the data was always available using an open data API so that the underlying database could change without breaking any reporting tool.
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Given that a large percentage of kids, well boys anyway, are addicted to Fortnite Battle Royale - I would suggest a Fortnite battle royale escape and evasion type game based on an orienteering map, which each participant would be able to view on an IPad or Iphone. This would have the safe circle and storm indicated on the electronic orienteering map, so that the participants need to stay within the safe circle otherwise they will be out (or lose health until they reenter the safe circle). Then the safe circle would from time to time move across the map, and the participants will need to navigate across the map ensuring that they stay in the safe circle.
I am not sure if the participants will be able to shoot each other unless it was turned into some kind of outside laserquest, but you would certainly need to have guards who try to stop to you moving across the map to stay in the safe circle. The last person to stay in the safe circle, and not get caught by any of the guards would be the winner.
I am not sure if the participants will be able to shoot each other unless it was turned into some kind of outside laserquest, but you would certainly need to have guards who try to stop to you moving across the map to stay in the safe circle. The last person to stay in the safe circle, and not get caught by any of the guards would be the winner.
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MDOC used Maprun for the final Night Street event of the winter. No need to put controls out, or hope the LP / TP numbers are still legible, instant results and data available on Strava / Routegadget. Runners do need a smartphone they are prepared to carry, with app loaded and gps enabled.
It worked very wel for most participants, though the plot of a few went slightly awry and had them not registering at controls they definitely went to. I think I was the worst case, with 6 out of 40 failing to register (and I did definitely go to the right places before you suggest user error !).
It worked very wel for most participants, though the plot of a few went slightly awry and had them not registering at controls they definitely went to. I think I was the worst case, with 6 out of 40 failing to register (and I did definitely go to the right places before you suggest user error !).
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King Penguin wrote:MDOC used Maprun for the final Night Street event of the winter. No need to put controls out, or hope the LP / TP numbers are still legible, instant results and data available on Strava / Routegadget. Runners do need a smartphone they are prepared to carry, with app loaded and gps enabled.
It worked very wel for most participants, though the plot of a few went slightly awry and had them not registering at controls they definitely went to. I think I was the worst case, with 6 out of 40 failing to register (and I did definitely go to the right places before you suggest user error !).
Hmm 6 out of 40 failing to register, not exactly what you want for a major event is it.
For training or fun, low key local events its fine, for anything more important, forget it.
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Guest88 wrote:Given that a large percentage of kids, well boys anyway, are addicted to Fortnite Battle Royale...
Perhaps combine this with allowing competitors to top up their health by finding controls? This definitely sounds fun - a little like a high-tech vampireO.
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King Penguin wrote:MDOC used Maprun for the final Night Street event of the winter. No need to put controls out, or hope the LP / TP numbers are still legible, instant results and data available on Strava / Routegadget. Runners do need a smartphone they are prepared to carry, with app loaded and gps enabled.
It worked very wel for most participants, though the plot of a few went slightly awry and had them not registering at controls they definitely went to. I think I was the worst case, with 6 out of 40 failing to register (and I did definitely go to the right places before you suggest user error !).
Was your phone fully charged before you started? low battery may cause problems with GPS locations (or so I'm told). We used MapRun last night at WCOC's evening event and as far as i'm aware there were no problems. It seems a possible solution for O where you might worry about the security of controls.
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King Penguin wrote:I think I was the worst case, with 6 out of 40 failing to register (and I did definitely go to the right places before you suggest user error !).
You were obviously running too fast for the system to keep up with you.
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Guest88 wrote:Given that a large percentage of kids, well boys anyway, are addicted to Fortnite Battle Royale - I would suggest a Fortnite battle royale escape and evasion type game based on an orienteering map,
Guest88:
Rather than shoot-em-up there is already a huge orienteering map to explore at http://www.myforest.uk which has 3 pre-set courses (and a score event). After completing a course there is tabular analysis by leg and the exact route taken can be seen on the map.
The program is in the form of a web page which should run on anything from desktop to smartphone (though older machines may not be fast enough).
As well as the orienteering role with O-courses, the initial explorer role has a kind of treasure hunt.
There is also an associated map-reading quiz, at http://www.myforest.uk/quiz.html
This is my free O-simulation which I first announced here last July. It has developed enormously since then. I hope it is genuinely useful for O-training but I have had no feedback so far.
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Scott wrote:Perhaps combine this with allowing competitors to top up their health by finding controls? This definitely sounds fun - a little like a high-tech vampireO.
Yes, could get med kits or shield potions if they visit a control.
grelf wrote:Guest88 wrote:Given that a large percentage of kids, well boys anyway, are addicted to Fortnite Battle Royale - I would suggest a Fortnite battle royale escape and evasion type game based on an orienteering map,
Guest88:
Rather than shoot-em-up there is already a huge orienteering map to explore at http://www.myforest.uk which has 3 pre-set courses (and a score event). After completing a course there is tabular analysis by leg and the exact route taken can be seen on the map.
The program is in the form of a web page which should run on anything from desktop to smartphone (though older machines may not be fast enough).
As well as the orienteering role with O-courses, the initial explorer role has a kind of treasure hunt.
There is also an associated map-reading quiz, at http://www.myforest.uk/quiz.html
This is my free O-simulation which I first announced here last July. It has developed enormously since then. I hope it is genuinely useful for O-training but I have had no feedback so far.
Sorry my post wasn't very clear, so just to clarify - what I was suggesting was a real life battle royale"-ish". game outside on a real orienteering area - with electronic orienteering maps on their iphones. Get the little addicts off their PCs and actually running around.
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I'm interested in the MapRun events.
What do people do for club members who don't have the right smartphone? Can they get a run somehow? How many don't have a smartphone?
What do people do for club members who don't have the right smartphone? Can they get a run somehow? How many don't have a smartphone?
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We are at the very early stages with Maprun. Just use it for fun at the moment by preparing a course on an area (so you have a paper copy of the course available). Let folk have a go on that course as an extra run after their normal SI course. That way more folk will have the app on their phone and be more amenable to the idea. Also they can revisit the course at any time subsequently and use it for training. But don't forget that it requires the map to be georeferenced which won't be true for all maps at the moment.
Also, use it to offer the challenge to non-orienteers, and just let them try it out. When they come back and ask if there is another one they can do, you will have started the conversation about O!
Also, use it to offer the challenge to non-orienteers, and just let them try it out. When they come back and ask if there is another one they can do, you will have started the conversation about O!
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