This event is not SIAC enabled
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
Of course, some Level D events manage to include loan of a SIAC in a £4 entry fee (as long as the club's supply of SIACs doesn't run out).
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
housewife wrote:I think the problem I and other have with SIAC is that in allowing mixed punching, they have forced anyone who wishes to be competitive in a sprint race to fork out £60. Buying fancier shoes, compasses etc is slightly different. You need to have something on your feet after all, and the price differential between o-shoes is not as great, and the sheer time saving with SIAC is so tangible.
I don't think I've seen an SIAC race where there isn't an option to hire, so you don't have to fork out £60 in one go (though in the long run you're better off doing so).
And actually, it would be NOT allowing mixed punching that would force people to spend money buying/hiring SIAC; with mixed punching, at least they have a choice (albeit at a cost in terms of performance). When SI (or Emit) was first introduced, people had no choice but to spend money buying or hiring them, I can't see why this is any different.
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
Dave wrote:Slowtochide wrote:PhilJ wrote:I am not a fan of SIAC and only see it as a money making venture by Sportident...+
Contactless can also be a definite plus for MTBO, saving the need to dismount to punch on occasion.
SIAC is 100% a good thing for Foot-O.
For those skilled enough, there is no longer any need to stop, pause or hesitate at any point during a race.
Surely that's how Orienteering should be ...
Yes... If its equal for all competitors, which is now evident versus non siac.
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
I really don't see what the problem is here. For those to whom a few seconds will actually make a difference on a course (I'm talking top end here. People who have actually ironed out all their physical and technical issues and are looking for minimal gains) then buying a SIAC card is a no brainer - they'll have spent many times that amount travelling to and entering top flight events and buying half a dozen pairs of shoes for every possible terrain. Same as top cyclists will spend on top bikes and top skier on top skis etc etc. For the rest of the puntership it's just posing. A bit like rich fat blokes buying top of the range mountain bikes.
SIAC is a premium product that should be offered at premium events... at a premium! An extra box to tick on the Fabian entry form (£1 -£2 what ever you think will cover the cost of extra battery use) + a paid option to hire a SIAC card.
If you think it's worth it - then it's worth it!
Simples!
SIAC is a premium product that should be offered at premium events... at a premium! An extra box to tick on the Fabian entry form (£1 -£2 what ever you think will cover the cost of extra battery use) + a paid option to hire a SIAC card.
If you think it's worth it - then it's worth it!
Simples!
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
Except I am sure I have seen premier events add a hire fee to ALL entries for the sprint if the competitor does not own a siac. So your entry fee is increased by having to hire a Siac and so it turns into a siac only event. Ring any bells?
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Mrs H wrote:If you think it's worth it - then it's worth it!
If you don't - then don't go!
Simples!
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
[quote]I don't think I've seen an SIAC race where there isn't an option to hire, so you don't have to fork out £60 in one go (though in the long run you're better off doing so).
And actually, it would be NOT allowing mixed punching that would force people to spend money buying/hiring SIAC; with mixed punching, at least they have a choice (albeit at a cost in terms of performance). When SI (or Emit) was first introduced, people had no choice but to spend money buying or hiring them, I can't see why this is any different./quote]
When SI or Emit was first introduced people were happy to pay for it as we got back:
Splits, loads of stats etc
Less hassle for planners
FAR fewer volunteers needed
When SIAC was introduced the only advantage you gain in buying one is not gifting your competitiors a large time advantage! I can well afford to buy one, but others can't, and I just feel SI are taking advantage of the competitors, assisted by British Orienteering by allowing mixed punching.
And actually, it would be NOT allowing mixed punching that would force people to spend money buying/hiring SIAC; with mixed punching, at least they have a choice (albeit at a cost in terms of performance). When SI (or Emit) was first introduced, people had no choice but to spend money buying or hiring them, I can't see why this is any different./quote]
When SI or Emit was first introduced people were happy to pay for it as we got back:
Splits, loads of stats etc
Less hassle for planners
FAR fewer volunteers needed
When SIAC was introduced the only advantage you gain in buying one is not gifting your competitiors a large time advantage! I can well afford to buy one, but others can't, and I just feel SI are taking advantage of the competitors, assisted by British Orienteering by allowing mixed punching.
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
When SI or Emit was first introduced people were happy to pay for it as we got back:
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Also, the SI card I bought back in the 1990s cost £14 and lasted me nearly two decades. The one I got a couple of years ago (just before SIAC started being used for "normal people" events) cost over £60 and is now, according to many on here, obsolete. I can't think of many consumer items that have quadrupled in price over the same period, while technology pricing normally goes in the opposite direction. A SIAC card nowadays really shouldn't cost much more than a tenner. Someone at SI HQ owes BOF a few favours...
If you think it's worth it - then it's worth it!
If you don't - then don't go!
Which neatly answers the original question (of why clubs might choose not to enable SIAC).
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
except I am sure I have seen premier events add a hire fee to ALL entries for the sprint if the competitor does not own a siac. So your entry fee is increased by having to hire a Siac and so it turns into a siac only event. Ring any bells?
Certainly not any event in the South East that I am aware of. Certainly not JK 2017. We were able to give juniors free hire at that event after a deal with SI, but it did not involve charging seniors an increased fee to cover it. Seniors could choose whether to hire or not.
And not any major Sprint that I have been to in the last couple of years - they gave you the option to hire or not
Strange how no one is making this kind of comment about EMIT touchless at JK2019...
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Re: This event is not SIAC enabled
It might be helpful to summarise DVO's experience as all our events have been SIAC/contactless for the last 2 years. The measured effect on battery life has been minimal. Although we have 20 SIAC dibbers to hire we have never run out (though came close at Belper Urban in the early days) and now usually hire no more than one or two.
We have the keep alive time on the boxes set at 4 hours. So long as controller/planner/assistants physically dib the boxes on the morning of the event (which is surely good practice anyway) that makes it extremely unlikely that anyone with a SIAC card would need to dib as the chances are almost certain that someone will dib before the 4 hours expires.
Another good practice to adopt is to turn the boxes off after they have been collected in. After all 50 boxes at 2 hours remaining time equates to 100 hours of extra battery life. That off course applies whether the boxes are in contactless mode or not.
We have the keep alive time on the boxes set at 4 hours. So long as controller/planner/assistants physically dib the boxes on the morning of the event (which is surely good practice anyway) that makes it extremely unlikely that anyone with a SIAC card would need to dib as the chances are almost certain that someone will dib before the 4 hours expires.
Another good practice to adopt is to turn the boxes off after they have been collected in. After all 50 boxes at 2 hours remaining time equates to 100 hours of extra battery life. That off course applies whether the boxes are in contactless mode or not.
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