The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
This year's British Orienteering Championships used mixed punching and I don't recall any grumbles. There was an option to hire SIAC if one so wished.
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
I think it’s now accepted that mixed punching is inherently unfair to classic SI cards in Sprint races, perhaps costing as much as a minute.
However it’s also accepted that if you don’t allow mixed punching, touch free punching will never take off (which would be a bad thing).
And in the context of your total cost of attending the races, the SIAC hire fees are insubstantial.
However it’s also accepted that if you don’t allow mixed punching, touch free punching will never take off (which would be a bad thing).
And in the context of your total cost of attending the races, the SIAC hire fees are insubstantial.
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
At the Tenby town urban race last year we were using the touchfree emit tag system and everyone had to use the tags allocated by the organiser, a fairer way than mixed punching in my opinion.
However there are races I been to where different age classes are running the same course on different scale maps mainly for the benefit of the older racer's eyesight; is this any different?
However there are races I been to where different age classes are running the same course on different scale maps mainly for the benefit of the older racer's eyesight; is this any different?
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
Arnold wrote:However it’s also accepted that if you don’t allow mixed punching, touch free punching will never take off (which would be a bad thing).
I guess it depends whether you think of the British Sprint Champs as a serious competition or a marketing exercise for SportsIdent.
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I really cannot see what all the fuss is about. Steve Smirthwaite and I have spent a couple of hours navigating in Streetview and it is all crystal clear.
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Freefall wrote:I really cannot see what all the fuss is about. Steve Smirthwaite and I have spent a couple of hours navigating in Streetview and it is all crystal clear.
It depends on how cluttered (or otherwise) the competition map is
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
Well......?
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
I enjoyed it. Did not take the right routes all the time but not the maps fault. I had some trouble seeing the controls some times but I guess I was not looking at the description at all just guessing off the circle and not always knowing what to expect. Regretting not having run there before when I had the opportunity as I am sure that would of helped. I was more confident the second outing.
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
So, how many people went through the non-mapped-but-specified-in-the-start-lane oob...
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
Hate it when that happens as rarely remember the details in the heat of the moment. If it's not on the map it's tricky, was it taped or otherwise obvious?
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
I thought the multi-level mapping worked well, the courses were good fun and nicely varied, and the arena was excellent, both for spectating and for food.
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I did think the map generally was quite busy - personally I'd have been inclined to sacrifice some of the detail (small crossable fences, many of the individual trees) for the sake of legibility. That said, as mapped currently it would be a fun area for TrailO!
Like several others, I lost quite a bit of time after the prologue road crossing by going the long way round to 73. It's quite difficult to read the mass of purple here - I've never been convinced that ISSOM 709 (the vertical purple hash) works very well for narrow OOB roads, and I suspect that either ISSOM 714 (the "temporary construction" purple shading) or ISOM 709 (the diagonal criss-cross purple hash) would be clearer, if not strictly to spec. In this case it doesn't help that both the purple hash and the crossing point symbol appear to have been enlarged, or that the previous control circle (72) hasn't been cut.
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Having carefully avoided it - was there nothing on the ground to stop you from going that way? I assumed that it was physically impassable because of last-minute building works or similar.
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I did think the map generally was quite busy - personally I'd have been inclined to sacrifice some of the detail (small crossable fences, many of the individual trees) for the sake of legibility. That said, as mapped currently it would be a fun area for TrailO!
Like several others, I lost quite a bit of time after the prologue road crossing by going the long way round to 73. It's quite difficult to read the mass of purple here - I've never been convinced that ISSOM 709 (the vertical purple hash) works very well for narrow OOB roads, and I suspect that either ISSOM 714 (the "temporary construction" purple shading) or ISOM 709 (the diagonal criss-cross purple hash) would be clearer, if not strictly to spec. In this case it doesn't help that both the purple hash and the crossing point symbol appear to have been enlarged, or that the previous control circle (72) hasn't been cut.
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JamesE wrote:So, how many people went through the non-mapped-but-specified-in-the-start-lane oob...
Having carefully avoided it - was there nothing on the ground to stop you from going that way? I assumed that it was physically impassable because of last-minute building works or similar.
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
Scott wrote:Having carefully avoided it - was there nothing on the ground to stop you from going that way? I assumed that it was physically impassable because of last-minute building works or similar.
I too avoided it but I've been told from multiple people it was unmanned, passable, and not obviously taped
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
JamesE wrote:Scott wrote:Having carefully avoided it - was there nothing on the ground to stop you from going that way? I assumed that it was physically impassable because of last-minute building works or similar.
I too avoided it but I've been told from multiple people it was unmanned, passable, and not obviously taped
I assume you mean the curving path to the W of the patch of green (it wasn't on my course so I didn't pay attention to it). If so, that's the way I walked between the car park and assembly, and there was certainly no physical obstruction.
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
JamesE wrote:So, how many people went through the non-mapped-but-specified-in-the-start-lane oob...
I did not see the map correction for this and no-one mentioned it or pointed it out in the start boxes. I arrived at the top to find the fence slightly ajar. I double-checked my map, confirmed my original interpretation that it was a permitted route and was about to go through when I noticed a fence across the lower end as well, so I went round.
I appreciate it probably became OOB too late for map printing, but I think a notice on the fence at each end "No access to Orienteers" or similar would have been helpful. There were no marshalls there. I can fully understand why some people went through, believing it to be legitimate.
Despite that, I enjoyed it. I do not think the level complexities were as bad as a first read implied, and getting it wrong 2 times out of 3 on the final was entirely my own fault and in no way due to the map.
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Re: The British Sprint O champs map complaint thread
Maybe an obvious answer to this but why was it OOB if it was clearly passable?
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