WMOC 2018
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Someone told me that they were going to use a larger assembly area but it was changed on security grounds.
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As with New Zealand, the sprint qualification was more technical than the final. Very disappointed by Copenhagen final, real runners course for last half wih no technicality. Did desire to hold final in Copenhagen overide the need for good technical courses?
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No Gold or Silver at the inaugural WMOC Middle Distance Championships Finals today, but Nick Barrable won Bronze in M40A and there was a near miss in W40A where Sarah Rollins took 4th.
There's a rest day tomorrow in preparation for Friday's Long Distance Finals in Gribskov forest.
There's a rest day tomorrow in preparation for Friday's Long Distance Finals in Gribskov forest.
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It was very hot at Gribskov today where the WMOC Long Finals took place; many Brits wilted in the heat, some so much so that they visited the "wrong" last control en route to the right one in full view of spectators, looking very puzzled the while …
Despite all this, two medals were won, with Nick Barrable's Silver in M40 just pipping Christine Kiddier's Bronze in W65 for pride of place.
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Despite all this, two medals were won, with Nick Barrable's Silver in M40 just pipping Christine Kiddier's Bronze in W65 for pride of place.
Full details here
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Just want to say that it was a week of really good fun orienteering. Decent areas, decent model maps, decent planning, decent logistics (setting aside the act of God that dug a hole stopping coach access on the first forest day), fabulous weather.
However, IMHO, the utterly ridiculous scoring system spoiled the forest events for all but the front end of the A final.
As a solid B final person, it would be nice to say that I was worse than all the A finalists and all the B finalists that beat me. BUT, it simply isn't true. Some of the A finalists didn't even complete the first qualification race, or were miles behind me !!
So, I don't know really where I finished, and frankly, now I don't actually care.
If there really has to be a Middle Event (for reasons I don't subscribe to) ...
> This is NOT the way to do it - if no-one can work out who is going to be in the various finals before the official lists go up, it can't possibly be right.
> losing one day of the sprints would be a better arrangement, or having an extra race
So, WMOC, I don't think that this year's model will prove attractive for most of your customers. You need to think again. I am very unlikely to make the trip next year - I'll probably use my annual foreign adventure somewhere else.
However, IMHO, the utterly ridiculous scoring system spoiled the forest events for all but the front end of the A final.
As a solid B final person, it would be nice to say that I was worse than all the A finalists and all the B finalists that beat me. BUT, it simply isn't true. Some of the A finalists didn't even complete the first qualification race, or were miles behind me !!
So, I don't know really where I finished, and frankly, now I don't actually care.
If there really has to be a Middle Event (for reasons I don't subscribe to) ...
> This is NOT the way to do it - if no-one can work out who is going to be in the various finals before the official lists go up, it can't possibly be right.
> losing one day of the sprints would be a better arrangement, or having an extra race
So, WMOC, I don't think that this year's model will prove attractive for most of your customers. You need to think again. I am very unlikely to make the trip next year - I'll probably use my annual foreign adventure somewhere else.
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Different story for me. Only my 2nd WMOC so no preconceptions. In my class (M55) I made a hash of the forest qualifier and ended up in the B middle final. Had a better run there finishing 5th which using the crude mins/km method would have placed me 56th in the A final. Places 60-80 from the A were relegated for the long final to be replaced mainly by the top B middle final runners. In the long I finished just in the top half. Thus I was running as a solid A runner, I quite rightly was denied a place in the middle A final but appreciated the opportunity to redeem myself. Probably a few too many were demoted from each final but the concept seems sound enough. I enjoyed the variety of events and certainly found the middle a different challenge to the long. Would have preferred a more techical sprint final but appreciate the limitations.
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sloop wrote:if no-one can work out who is going to be in the various finals before the official lists go up, it can't possibly be right.
Bit of an exaggeration this … I for one was able to predict my Final and my start time for the Long Final when I left the Middle Final arena … and I definitely wasn't alone.
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Yes, I too thought the new system worked quite well. Predicting your start time was easy.
The only change I'd suggest would be to adjust the proportion of the field that is relegated and promoted. Instead of 25%, perhaps 20% or 15%.
A very enjoyable week, overall, despite my results not being as good as they should have been.
The only change I'd suggest would be to adjust the proportion of the field that is relegated and promoted. Instead of 25%, perhaps 20% or 15%.
A very enjoyable week, overall, despite my results not being as good as they should have been.
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Re: WMOC 2018
I agree with Spookster.
The easiest route to the Long A Final in M50 was via the B Final in the Middle Distance. This issue is easily sorted by adjusting the percentages which are promoted/relegated.
That said I'd prefer an extra forest race so we had a Middle Qualifier, Middle Final then Long Qualifier, Long Final. That would be feasible with one less rest day and would avoid promotion/relegation altogether. The rest after the Sprint wasn't really necessary IMO.
I thought the whole week was very well organised and planned. The competition was a bit too good for me though. Must try harder next time,especially if I want to compete with Hakan Eriksson who won M55 with 47 mins for 8.1km.
The easiest route to the Long A Final in M50 was via the B Final in the Middle Distance. This issue is easily sorted by adjusting the percentages which are promoted/relegated.
That said I'd prefer an extra forest race so we had a Middle Qualifier, Middle Final then Long Qualifier, Long Final. That would be feasible with one less rest day and would avoid promotion/relegation altogether. The rest after the Sprint wasn't really necessary IMO.
I thought the whole week was very well organised and planned. The competition was a bit too good for me though. Must try harder next time,especially if I want to compete with Hakan Eriksson who won M55 with 47 mins for 8.1km.
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NeilC wrote:Different story for me. Only my 2nd WMOC so no preconceptions. In my class (M55) I made a hash of the forest qualifier and ended up in the B middle final. Had a better run there finishing 5th which using the crude mins/km method would have placed me 56th in the A final. Places 60-80 from the A were relegated for the long final to be replaced mainly by the top B middle final runners. In the long I finished just in the top half. Thus I was running as a solid A runner, I quite rightly was denied a place in the middle A final but appreciated the opportunity to redeem myself. Probably a few too many were demoted from each final but the concept seems sound enough. I enjoyed the variety of events and certainly found the middle a different challenge to the long. Would have preferred a more technical sprint final but appreciate the limitations.
Also my second WMOC although this time only did the sprints. The forest qualifier sounds interesting - if you look at the final results all those who mispunched in the forest qualifier appear to be listed as NC with no time, but their time is used to assess their final for the long? - that does sound quite difficult to work out if you cant see everyones time.
Also say you won your heat in the forest qualifier but for whatever reason were only running the long - are you out of the A final because you DNS the middle?
My main gripe though was the failure to follow this rule in the Sprint finals (in contrast to 2017).
Bulletin wrote:You must complete the Sprint Qualification race successfully to run competitively in the Sprint Final.
From my perspective the first 7 places in the M50 C final were mispunchers from the heats). They should have been NC and listed at the bottom. Felt a bit sorry for the guy who finished 8th, especially as he'd have had to work out for himself that he won the final.
This would have been the case for many B, C and D finals depending on how many were in the class.
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andypat wrote:Bulletin wrote:You must complete the Sprint Qualification race successfully to run competitively in the Sprint Final.
From my perspective the first 7 places in the M50 C final were mispunchers from the heats). They should have been NC and listed at the bottom. Felt a bit sorry for the guy who finished 8th, especially as he'd have had to work out for himself that he won the final.
This would have been the case for many B, C and D finals depending on how many were in the class.
As one of those people who mispunched in the heats (though in a different age category), I'd be happy to be shown as NC, but I think it would be more sensible to still show the results of the final in time order (which I think is what is done in other events when some runners are NC). Is there really any significance in whether you win the B, C, D, ... finals, though?
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DJM wrote:It was very hot at Gribskov today where the WMOC Long Finals took place; many Brits wilted in the heat, some so much so that they visited the "wrong" last control en route to the right one in full view of spectators, looking very puzzled the while …
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I was one of those who went to the extra wrong last control and I hadn't wilted in the heat
The event layout in the handbook shows that 28 was the last control for the A classes and 27 was last for B+ classes which I'd noted before the start. Even though I was in a B class my last control was at 28 and I started to go to the finish then remembered the handbook instructions, didn't want to risk a MP so deviated down to 27 to make sure
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roadrunner wrote:andypat wrote:Bulletin wrote:Is there really any significance in whether you win the B, C, D, ... finals, though?
You really want to have that argument? You might as well not bother with the masters at all since, you know, you’re just all old folk running about, not really the best athletes, they’re all at WOC ffs.
Of course it matters. It’s a race and it matters to those who are in it.
You might as well stop the Olympic marathon after the first three runners are finished since, well the rest are not going to medal are they?
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An excellent week - the weather helped a bit Really impressed by the clarity of the sprint maps: clear cartography and getting the colours right so that the course overprint is actually visible. Tbf it was the same at ASOM the weekend before - some GB mappers and printers need to take note!
I thought the mapping of fallen trees in the forest worked well too.
Or a fixed percentage (5%?) of the entry in each class.
I thought the mapping of fallen trees in the forest worked well too.
Spookster wrote:The only change I'd suggest would be to adjust the proportion of the field that is relegated and promoted. Instead of 25%, perhaps 20% or 15%.
Or a fixed percentage (5%?) of the entry in each class.
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denbydale wrote:I was one of those who went to the extra wrong last control and I hadn't wilted in the heat The event layout in the handbook shows that 28 was the last control for the A classes and 27 was last for B+ classes which I'd noted before the start. Even though I was in a B class my last control was at 28 and I started to go to the finish then remembered the handbook instructions, didn't want to risk a MP so deviated down to 27 to make sure
Perhaps just read the map and descriptions next time! Unfortunately I switched followed the pack to the wrong control and lost over a minute and 5 places in the ensuing confusion.
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