The annual report at https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/agm makes interesting reading.
Club membership down 5%.
Club event participation down over 10% from 2 years ago from 188,000 runs to 160,000 runs.
What do you think?
Annual report 2017
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Re: Annual report 2017
Unlike the 2015 and 2016 Annual Reports, there is no membership comparison with the previous year. For the record there was a 5.0% decrease in 2017 from 10,891 to 10,346 (2016 Report). This might be related to the senior fee increasing from £5 to £10 and the junior fee increasing from £2 to £3.30 in 2017.
According to the 2015 Report the membership was 10,328 in 2014 and 10,939 in 2015, although the 2016 report stated the 2015 membership was only 10,672! Both Reports however, did highlight the increase in membership.
Personally for such an extensive and otherwise well written report, I'd have expected the membership change, whether or not favourable, to be an essential part of any NGB's Annual Report, especially when the members are being asked to vote for an increase in senior fees of 10% (£11 from £10) and 52% (£5 from £3.30) for juniors.
Whilst on the subject, can anyone cast light on the decision to increase the junior membership by 50% and the seniors by only 10%, in the light of BO' s December 2017 Youth Consultation - "Every Junior Matters"?
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/ ... &item=3984
In 2011, prior to the change to reduce fees and increase the levy, the fees were £21.50 senior, £4.65 junior and £30 for families, and from 2005 onwards the family membership was never more than 50% more than the senior membership. The proposal for 2019, is 190% more (£32:£11) for a family of four than an senior, and 236% more (£37:£11) for a family of five.
According to the 2015 Report the membership was 10,328 in 2014 and 10,939 in 2015, although the 2016 report stated the 2015 membership was only 10,672! Both Reports however, did highlight the increase in membership.
Personally for such an extensive and otherwise well written report, I'd have expected the membership change, whether or not favourable, to be an essential part of any NGB's Annual Report, especially when the members are being asked to vote for an increase in senior fees of 10% (£11 from £10) and 52% (£5 from £3.30) for juniors.
Whilst on the subject, can anyone cast light on the decision to increase the junior membership by 50% and the seniors by only 10%, in the light of BO' s December 2017 Youth Consultation - "Every Junior Matters"?
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/ ... &item=3984
In 2011, prior to the change to reduce fees and increase the levy, the fees were £21.50 senior, £4.65 junior and £30 for families, and from 2005 onwards the family membership was never more than 50% more than the senior membership. The proposal for 2019, is 190% more (£32:£11) for a family of four than an senior, and 236% more (£37:£11) for a family of five.
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Re: Annual report 2017
SeanC wrote:
Club membership down 5%.
What do you think?
I think you mean BOF membership down 55 rather than club membership?
Worth remembering that in Scotland you can now join the SOA and your club without joining BOF. Not sure if that's included in the stats for 2016/17 given in the BOF data but if not you can expect another significant drop next year when that kicks in as some clubs in Northern Scotland in particular will have a lot of members taking advantage of that.
Personally it suits me to remain a BOF member and I'm reasonably hopeful that the new regime at BOF might be a positive thing from a Scottish/member point of view.
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Re: Annual report 2017
You're right andypat, when I said club membership I meant BOF membership (in the far south they are still much the same).
SOA members who changed to non-BO/SOA only membership could be an explanation for the BO membership drop. Are there any figures for this?
SOA members who changed to non-BO/SOA only membership could be an explanation for the BO membership drop. Are there any figures for this?
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Re: Annual report 2017
I doubt the drop in BOF membership in Scotland is huge. Certainly my club are pushing all experienced members to rejoin as BOF - in order to be able to plan, organise etc.
New members are also pushed strongly towards BOF membership. BOF membership is still cheap compared to many (most?) other sports eg local tennis club £44 for under 17's... plus coaching is paid for not free (as in most orienteering clubs...).
New members are also pushed strongly towards BOF membership. BOF membership is still cheap compared to many (most?) other sports eg local tennis club £44 for under 17's... plus coaching is paid for not free (as in most orienteering clubs...).
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Re: Annual report 2017
FWIW Forth Valley are as busy as ever - almost two events per week at the moment!
So I don't think the report reflects what's happing in the Scottish Central belt.
I, personally, don't think BO membership is expensive but I think increases in the levy recently is hitting clubs hard. We're hardly breaking even on some smaller events and so not effectively replenishing our SI kit and or recovering mapping costs. So our prices will have to go up.
I would imagine that over the course of a year an addicted senior orienteer is likely to pay about £150 a year in levies to BO......on top of the membership fee....
So I don't think the report reflects what's happing in the Scottish Central belt.
I, personally, don't think BO membership is expensive but I think increases in the levy recently is hitting clubs hard. We're hardly breaking even on some smaller events and so not effectively replenishing our SI kit and or recovering mapping costs. So our prices will have to go up.
I would imagine that over the course of a year an addicted senior orienteer is likely to pay about £150 a year in levies to BO......on top of the membership fee....
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Re: Annual report 2017
SeanC wrote:SOA members who changed to non-BO/SOA only membership could be an explanation for the BO membership drop. Are there any figures for this?
No, Non-BO/SOA membership only started in 2018.
There are 317 Non-BO/SOA members. 48 who are SOA/ESOC (12 changed from BO/SOA/ESOC), but we have also had 34 BO/SOA/ESOC non-renewals. Our membership over the last ten years has been 190 to 210.
This rate of non-renewal is usual for us, most new members join for 1 may be 2 years and then give up.
MAROC have 23 Non-BO/SOA members.
FVO have 19 Non-BO/SOA members.
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Re: Annual report 2017
I just had a look at the numbers in the AGM report for participation (in response to a now-deleted post) and those for 2017 don't seem to add up, unless I'm missing something:
159954 event participants + 36766 club activity runs + 136402 non-club activity runs = 333122, so how does BO get to 348231? The same is true for 2012 to 2014, while 2015 and 2016 add up correctly.
And how does 2033 (non club) activities with an average of 20 per activity give 136402 participant runs? (These figures look equally odd for the other years too.)
159954 event participants + 36766 club activity runs + 136402 non-club activity runs = 333122, so how does BO get to 348231? The same is true for 2012 to 2014, while 2015 and 2016 add up correctly.
And how does 2033 (non club) activities with an average of 20 per activity give 136402 participant runs? (These figures look equally odd for the other years too.)
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Re: Annual report 2017
I deleted the post, I thought my tone was a bit narky.
but basically of interest to this discussion, is the news article
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/news/4111
This uses a different set of data, a survey of regular participants.
but basically of interest to this discussion, is the news article
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/news/4111
This uses a different set of data, a survey of regular participants.
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Re: Annual report 2017
Not sure whether to be more concerned about the fall in membership/participation or the inability to add up (as highlighted by roadrunner above). Apparently participation "data not available" for the British Sprints - have they lost the results already?
Hope the financial figures are more reliable
Hope the financial figures are more reliable
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Re: Annual report 2017
greywolf wrote:Apparently participation "data not available" for the British Sprints - have they lost the results already?
Hope the financial figures are more reliable
I thought that was odd too - surely you just add up the numbers on each course here
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Re: Annual report 2017
Maybe the sprints figures are missing because the numbers were not submitted via the system? And could that be the reason for the drop in participation? If figures are not input then they can't be counted. As club officials change, are the people who did know how to submit figures being replaced by those who just don't know it's necessary?
I have up with believing the numbers when I saw that Xplorer figures were 0 in 2017 at the start of the report but several thousand later on. Maybe 0 was the number of Xplorer participants who went on to take part in a "proper" event?
I have up with believing the numbers when I saw that Xplorer figures were 0 in 2017 at the start of the report but several thousand later on. Maybe 0 was the number of Xplorer participants who went on to take part in a "proper" event?
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Re: Annual report 2017
The drop in participation by members since 2012 shows a worrying trend; with seniors down from 119,160 to 100,600 a compounded drop of 3.3% a year, and juniors down from 41,595 to 30,484 a compounded drop of 6.0% a year. If junior members are competing less often in comparison to seniors it suggests family members are competing less often too.
Is this really the time to increase junior membership by over 50% and seniors by only 10%, when BO is investigating why it is failing to retain junior members? Perhaps it is time the sport returned to family memberships, that coincidentally ended in 2013, and were typically 50% more than the senior membership. The proposal for 2019 is 236% more for a family of five than a senior.
Is this really the time to increase junior membership by over 50% and seniors by only 10%, when BO is investigating why it is failing to retain junior members? Perhaps it is time the sport returned to family memberships, that coincidentally ended in 2013, and were typically 50% more than the senior membership. The proposal for 2019 is 236% more for a family of five than a senior.
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Re: Annual report 2017
smf wrote:SeanC wrote:SOA members who changed to non-BO/SOA only membership could be an explanation for the BO membership drop. Are there any figures for this?
No, Non-BO/SOA membership only started in 2018.
Actually it was trialled in 3 clubs last year with 60 SOA only members by the end of the year.
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