Is it possible to edit your password?
It's ridiculous that one has to be logged in to easily access information that should be public to non-members (i.e. fixtures).
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Re: BOF Website
mharky wrote:It's ridiculous that one has to be logged in to easily access information that should be public to non-members (i.e. fixtures).
It's two mouse clicks ("Go Orienteering, At an Event") to get to this page, without being logged in.
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/event
mharky wrote:Is it possible to edit your password?
Yes. My Account, My Details, Edit Details.
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Re: BOF Website
British Cycling: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
UK Athletics: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Competitions"
British Triathlon: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
British Orienteering: Not directly visible, at the bottom of a secondary page.
The problem isn't just the problem, it's your unwillingness to see that there is a problem. Do you really think that hidden at the bottom of a secondary page is a suitable location for a link to our events? Anything that is important must be immediately visible on the front page, any good website architect (or person with common sense who has used the internet) can tell you this.
As for the password changing, again. Going to my account, my settings takes you to a page that doesn't mention passwords whatsoever. Rather, membership Info, Personal Details, Contact Details, Equality, and Communication. It is therefor not logical at all that editing these details will give the extra hidden addition of editing one's password.
I use a lot of websites, BOFs is the least logical with regards to doing do. I spend more time on line than you can perhaps imagine, the fact I had to ask is testament to how poorly designed it is.
If a highly experienced orienteer and web-user has problems with an orienteering website, it's probably due to the website.
UK Athletics: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Competitions"
British Triathlon: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
British Orienteering: Not directly visible, at the bottom of a secondary page.
The problem isn't just the problem, it's your unwillingness to see that there is a problem. Do you really think that hidden at the bottom of a secondary page is a suitable location for a link to our events? Anything that is important must be immediately visible on the front page, any good website architect (or person with common sense who has used the internet) can tell you this.
As for the password changing, again. Going to my account, my settings takes you to a page that doesn't mention passwords whatsoever. Rather, membership Info, Personal Details, Contact Details, Equality, and Communication. It is therefor not logical at all that editing these details will give the extra hidden addition of editing one's password.
I use a lot of websites, BOFs is the least logical with regards to doing do. I spend more time on line than you can perhaps imagine, the fact I had to ask is testament to how poorly designed it is.
If a highly experienced orienteer and web-user has problems with an orienteering website, it's probably due to the website.
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Re: BOF Website
Another thing that I have recently noticed about the BOF website is that it appears to have a problem with results from events on New Year's Day.
After noticing that there were no results on the BOF website for the DVO Buxton event, or any other event on 1st January this year, I looked at last year and saw no events listed from then either. This seemed unlikely to be correct as I am aware that a few clubs regularly have events on New Year's Day.
Looking further back I only found three events listed on the Results pages of the BOF website with 1st January dates, none of them showing correct results for the event on the date concerned.
1 Jan 2016 DVO Ashbourne: Although listed there is no link to any results
1 Jan 2011 LEI Moria Furnace: Initially this looked more promising as there are actually results available and the event can be found on the LEI website (as Donisthorpe which is the same map). However, the results on the BOF and LEI websites are totally different, I think those on the BOF site are actually for the CompassSport Cup heat at Beacon Hill on 16th January 2011.
1 Jan 1970 MDOC (unspecified location): The results given for this event show that many of the competitors (including all those on the White and Yellow courses) were not born until several years after it had taken place. I suspect that these results are actually from an event in 2012, but I have not identified the event concerned. All results on the BOF website from 2008 and earlier are purportedly for MDOC events and most of them are dummies, therefore I suspect that they may be test data that shouldn't have remained in the live system.
After noticing that there were no results on the BOF website for the DVO Buxton event, or any other event on 1st January this year, I looked at last year and saw no events listed from then either. This seemed unlikely to be correct as I am aware that a few clubs regularly have events on New Year's Day.
Looking further back I only found three events listed on the Results pages of the BOF website with 1st January dates, none of them showing correct results for the event on the date concerned.
1 Jan 2016 DVO Ashbourne: Although listed there is no link to any results
1 Jan 2011 LEI Moria Furnace: Initially this looked more promising as there are actually results available and the event can be found on the LEI website (as Donisthorpe which is the same map). However, the results on the BOF and LEI websites are totally different, I think those on the BOF site are actually for the CompassSport Cup heat at Beacon Hill on 16th January 2011.
1 Jan 1970 MDOC (unspecified location): The results given for this event show that many of the competitors (including all those on the White and Yellow courses) were not born until several years after it had taken place. I suspect that these results are actually from an event in 2012, but I have not identified the event concerned. All results on the BOF website from 2008 and earlier are purportedly for MDOC events and most of them are dummies, therefore I suspect that they may be test data that shouldn't have remained in the live system.
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Re: BOF Website
... and according to the Arthur's Seat results GG has just lost more than 10 years off his age ! (see YOB)
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Re: BOF Website
mharky wrote:British Cycling: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
UK Athletics: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Competitions"
British Triathlon: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
That's being somewhat generous to UK Athletics; they only show major competitions there, you have to follow a link to "Power of 10" to get the rest. But the other two are certainly much better than the BO one.
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Re: BOF Website
This is quite a simply, obvious, and logical drop down bar from the competitions tab.
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Re: BOF Website
British Rowing: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
British Speed Skating (FISS): Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
British Sled-dog Sports Federation: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Races and Events" [However, they do have a massively pointless welcome page]
There does seem to be a common theme...
British Speed Skating (FISS): Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Events"
British Sled-dog Sports Federation: Immediately visible link at top of front page, "Races and Events" [However, they do have a massively pointless welcome page]
There does seem to be a common theme...
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Re: BOF Website
BMBO: about a months events on the home page.
One click to "Events Calendar" for the year
Admittedly not as many events to list....
One click to "Events Calendar" for the year
Admittedly not as many events to list....
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Re: BOF Website
Just to add some constructive criticism, it really is a terrible website. It looks like it was put together by some BTEC graphic design student who has just discovered WordPress.
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Re: BOF Website
These days you should judge a website on a smartphone, as this is what the majority of users will view the site on. It looks better on the phone, but still has the same problem that you have to hunt for event information rather than it being promoted to the user. Hopefully this will change now BO have thankfully changed development emphasis, and agree that club events are the cake, and the other stuff (xplorer etc) is the icing, and not the other way round.
Perhaps Spookster could help here. I think some more openness / information about the website, who built it, how changes are made and how much we pay to maintain it.
I have picked up that BO outsourced the development to a local company, and that the system has over a million lines of code according to one of Mike Hamilton's briefings.
I wonder if the company that have built the website is rather small, and don't have the in house skills to do both good backend work (eg the ranking system) and website design. I suspect over the years the front end pages and back end systems have become really mixed up, making the whole thing expensive and slow to change. The number of bugs in the last major release suggests the supplier has poor quality control and potentially an unprofessional organisation. A million lines of code sounds like a badly built system. I have worked on systems that do much more complicated things in under 50,000 lines.
If BO own a monolith/ turkey, in the long run it will be cheaper to extract out or replace the useful services (eg membership system, ranking system) with independent systems, and have expert website designers working on the front end to help sell our sport. With many smaller more replaceable bits, different bits could be maintained by different specialist companies, or by volunteers. There could even be some money to be made, by selling the ranking system or membership system to other organisations or sports.
Does the website, or the website supplier need replacing? I hope these are questions the board are not afraid to ask.
Perhaps Spookster could help here. I think some more openness / information about the website, who built it, how changes are made and how much we pay to maintain it.
I have picked up that BO outsourced the development to a local company, and that the system has over a million lines of code according to one of Mike Hamilton's briefings.
I wonder if the company that have built the website is rather small, and don't have the in house skills to do both good backend work (eg the ranking system) and website design. I suspect over the years the front end pages and back end systems have become really mixed up, making the whole thing expensive and slow to change. The number of bugs in the last major release suggests the supplier has poor quality control and potentially an unprofessional organisation. A million lines of code sounds like a badly built system. I have worked on systems that do much more complicated things in under 50,000 lines.
If BO own a monolith/ turkey, in the long run it will be cheaper to extract out or replace the useful services (eg membership system, ranking system) with independent systems, and have expert website designers working on the front end to help sell our sport. With many smaller more replaceable bits, different bits could be maintained by different specialist companies, or by volunteers. There could even be some money to be made, by selling the ranking system or membership system to other organisations or sports.
Does the website, or the website supplier need replacing? I hope these are questions the board are not afraid to ask.
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Re: BOF Website
It'd be interesting to see what the stats are in relation to the BOF website from a membership perspective.
I really haven't got to grips with it yet - the home page seems to be very heavily weighted to non-members. Its an absolute pain in the backside to have to log in to see anything useful.
I really haven't got to grips with it yet - the home page seems to be very heavily weighted to non-members. Its an absolute pain in the backside to have to log in to see anything useful.
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Re: BOF Website
I just google “British orienteering fixtures” and that seems to find it. It’s the only part of the website I ever use. Am I missing out?
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Re: BOF Website
I tend to agree with most of the comments made. In fact I simply use the following as favourites:
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/rankings
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/results
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/event
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/event_map
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/rules
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/rankings
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/results
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/event
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/event_map
https://www.britishorienteering.org.uk/rules
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Re: BOF Website
Blue Monday was supposed to be last week; what's the matter with everyone this week? Critics think Nopesport is all about moaning; I'm almost starting to agree.
I think the British Orienteering website is fine. For newcomers it is pretty obvious that if you want to try to go orienteering you'll chose "Go Orienteering" and finding an event is clear from there. For members they can easily logon to switch to members view. Like all websites it can take a bit of usage to find the best way round, but there are a lot worse. DavidJ's suggestion to make favourites for common pages will make it even easier if you don't use it often enough to remember.
I think the British Orienteering website is fine. For newcomers it is pretty obvious that if you want to try to go orienteering you'll chose "Go Orienteering" and finding an event is clear from there. For members they can easily logon to switch to members view. Like all websites it can take a bit of usage to find the best way round, but there are a lot worse. DavidJ's suggestion to make favourites for common pages will make it even easier if you don't use it often enough to remember.
Blame EUOC, no BOF number has been entered so 1997 is what EUOC put in the csv file they uploaded.King Penguin wrote:... and according to the Arthur's Seat results GG has just lost more than 10 years off his age ! (see YOB)
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