The important thing is that it should be possible to start running immediately, not faff about looking for start triangles or, indeed, planning complex route choices on the first leg. Otherwise the optimum way to start is to guess correctly which way to go, perhaps based on where previous runners went. This is clearly not what orienteering is about, and is especially important in sprints.
The IOF way to do it is to have a taped run out from map issue to the start kite. That's OK.
The BOF tradition is to have the start at the map issue point: its not ideal but sometimes there are practical reasons to do so. Then it is essential/fair to give people a preview, and that's also OK.
The worst option is to be so fixated that "Preview start triangle" is somehow always bad, that you miss the point and combine it with having "map issue at start triangle".
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
The problem with the taped route is that you then have to make sure it’s not quicker to leave the taped route before the actual start triangle (technically not allowed but unpoliceable). Easier on sprints, harder in the forest.
My preferred option is normally to move runners out of sight somewhere between call up and actual start, preferably the last box.
But I agree that if you show blank maps in the start boxes, then you should print the start triangle on it, to create a level playing field.
My preferred option is normally to move runners out of sight somewhere between call up and actual start, preferably the last box.
But I agree that if you show blank maps in the start boxes, then you should print the start triangle on it, to create a level playing field.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
The SELOC event yesterday had the both the start triangle and the finish circles marked on the maps in the start lanes.
Rather confusingly it also had a line between the two, suggesting an extremely short course - I guess that this was a quirk of the software.
Rather confusingly it also had a line between the two, suggesting an extremely short course - I guess that this was a quirk of the software.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
"print blank map" would not have start or finish on it.
Adding a dummy course without any controls would have the effect described.
Cutting the line between the two would have been necessary to remove it.
Adding a dummy course without any controls would have the effect described.
Cutting the line between the two would have been necessary to remove it.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
I like blank maps in the start lane and the game of 'Identify the Start Location'. If I can, I do a bit of research before I arrive at the event - old maps, OS map (both on-line) - and on the way to the start I note what I see and what my compass says. It's part of the fun. And it really isn't much bother to provide the blank maps: just include some in the print order and put them in the lanes.
Having said that, I still have trouble sometimes finding the start triangle on the map after the 'long beep'. But this is an issue with the colour of the overprint used (too much cyan) and the size of the map - it would be the same even if the blank maps had start triangles marked on them.
But I would really I'd like to see the UK adopt the practice of taping the route to the start triangle rule, for the reasons Graeme mentions.
Having said that, I still have trouble sometimes finding the start triangle on the map after the 'long beep'. But this is an issue with the colour of the overprint used (too much cyan) and the size of the map - it would be the same even if the blank maps had start triangles marked on them.
But I would really I'd like to see the UK adopt the practice of taping the route to the start triangle rule, for the reasons Graeme mentions.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
I believe that ISOM2017 adds a new overprint symbol. A rectangle to show the Start box location; i,e, where you are whilst looking at the blank map. Just to be clear, the Start triangle remains the same.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
What makes you think that? I don't see any such symbol.
http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uplo ... ay2017.pdf
Its a bit vague as to whether a taped route to the start must be shown. In one example it is, but the text says that "Marked routes are part of the course2, and "the course starts at the triangle."
http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uplo ... ay2017.pdf
Its a bit vague as to whether a taped route to the start must be shown. In one example it is, but the text says that "Marked routes are part of the course2, and "the course starts at the triangle."
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Symbol 702, page 33
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
not really what youd call a rectangle though is it?
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
nor is map issue "where you are whilst looking at the blank map."
They used this sort of rectangle on some days at O-Cerdanya this year, with taped route to faraway start: it was a bit useful.
They used this sort of rectangle on some days at O-Cerdanya this year, with taped route to faraway start: it was a bit useful.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
A 4 sided shape, with each corner 90 degrees, and opposite sides of equal length.
I'd like to know what shape you think that is!
I'd like to know what shape you think that is!
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
Slowtochide should maybe have written "which is often located just meters beyond the start line, which itself is located just meters beyond the call-up box that usually contains blank maps for you to look at" for the pedants.
But, their original point stands that ISOM 2017 does contain a new symbol, that is a rectangle, to indicate the map issue point.
But, their original point stands that ISOM 2017 does contain a new symbol, that is a rectangle, to indicate the map issue point.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
A somewhat more concerning issue here is that there is a commercial advertisement in the ISOM 2017 document! That is shocking.
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Re: Preview of Start triangles
Where are you seeing a rectangle? I see a small purple dash.
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