Scots opt out of BOF
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Re: Scots opt out of BOF
Presumably if SOA have arranged their own civil liability insurance cover then SOA, but non-BOF, members may be considered fit to act as event officials. The infamous "three events as a non-BOF member and you are no longer covered" rule may also not apply.
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EddieH wrote:My immediate concern on reading this is that we are creating a rod for our own backs as it appears to me that regional only members will not be allowed to plan or organise events.
And what about the insurance cover provided by NGB?
SOA stance is obviously a precursor for setting up Scotlands NGB when IndyRef2, 3 or X eventually delivers 50.1% YES. No doubt SOA will gradually have to create their own arrangements, rules, accreditations for Orienteering events.
Whatever happened to the concept of 'the greater good for all', even though there are inevitable compromises with a UK wide NGB.
Seems like brexitis is catching...Scotexit?
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RoT wrote:SOA stance is obviously a precursor for setting up Scotlands NGB when IndyRef2,
Nope. Sports funding is already a devolved issue and SOA is regarded as the NGB by Sportscotland. It does mean that Scots currently pay (via the £8 regional fee) for two NGBs, which some people find annoying. We also already have had to create our own arrangements, rules, accreditations for Orienteering events. to comply with Scots Law because "B"OF wouldn't do it for us. Things like Disclosure are similar, but there are things like Land Access where the law is very different and involved a lot of work. We have our own Rules and Guidelines: on PaulFrost's excellent website here https://www.scottish-orienteering.org/s ... guidelines.
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Re: Scots opt out of BOF
EddieH wrote:it appears to me that regional only members will not be allowed to plan or organise events.
Eddie I think you missed the bit on the SOA info sheet that said:
Club + SOA Members will, in Scotland, be able to:
• Be an event planner (must attend an Event Safety Workshop)
• Be an event organiser (must attend an Event Safety
• Join a Coaching Foundation course
• Hold a voluntary club role, such as secretary, treasurer, etc.
Although understandable, I think it's a shame that SOA felt that they had to go this way. Those who opt for Club + SOA membership will miss out on the Incentive Scheme as well as the ranking list. Newer member who only orienteer locally are the sort of orienteers at whom the Incentive Scheme is aimed at.
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Re: Scots opt out of BOF
The website contains Rules and Guidelines for SOA Competitions.graeme wrote:... We have our own Rules and Guidelines: on PaulFrost's excellent website here https://www.scottish-orienteering.org/s ... guidelines.
But the Rules and Guidelines for the sport simply point to the BOF version. Which of course currently state that organisers and planners must be BOF members -- and apply to any orienteering event held in GB & NI and registered with British Orienteering.
Is the intention that future SOA events (or those organised by non-BOF members) will no longer be registered with BO?
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An interesting aspect is that one of the trial clubs has been SOLWAY, whose members might be expected to be more likely (compared to other SOA clubs) to participate in events outside of SOA.
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Sports funding is already a devolved issue and SOA is regarded as the NGB by Sportscotland.
Wonder if Sportscotland would then be willing to contribute to the British Team costs?...
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baronmax wrote:Wonder if Sportscotland would then be willing to contribute to the British Team costs?...
There's no direct mechanism, but Scotland does help through e.g. Donation by Participants at the Scottish Orienteering Championships on 15-06-2017 £544.00, SEDS and the Orienteering Centre of Excellence
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Sunlit Forres wrote:EddieH wrote:it appears to me that regional only members will not be allowed to plan or organise events.
Eddie I think you missed the bit on the SOA info sheet that said:
Club + SOA Members will, in Scotland, be able to:
• Be an event planner (must attend an Event Safety Workshop)
• Be an event organiser (must attend an Event Safety
• Join a Coaching Foundation course
• Hold a voluntary club role, such as secretary, treasurer, etc.
Although understandable, I think it's a shame that SOA felt that they had to go this way. Those who opt for Club + SOA membership will miss out on the Incentive Scheme as well as the ranking list. Newer member who only orienteer locally are the sort of orienteers at whom the Incentive Scheme is aimed at.
How is that going to work?
You have to be a British Orienteering member to register events/activities and input the planner/organiser/controller from a drop down list.
SOA cannot say who can hold a voluntary club role, such as secretary, treasurer, etc. That is up to the clubs. Most of these roles interact with British Orienteering online system which you have to be a British Orienteering member to operate.
Sorry, but this hasn't been thought out properly. There has been no discussion with clubs. They have passed the administration on to the clubs. Unfortunately we won't be promoting this in the way they expect.
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Re: Scots opt out of BOF
smf wrote:
Sorry, but this hasn't been thought out properly. There has been no discussion with clubs. They have passed the administration on to the clubs. Unfortunately we won't be promoting this in the way they expect.
Thats harsh Simon.
I'd agree that SOA have not as yet given sufficient detail to allow us to understand how the stated new members would be able to be for example, event officials within Scotland, but that doesnt mean its incorrect, and this has been on the table for years and discussed at Board level and AGMs before now.
I dont think the SOA is expecting your club to promote this - its just there as an option for folks who might not otherwise have signed up to the full monty.
I do think someone at the SOA will need to give some more detailed info about the issue for planners/organizers who dont join BOF pretty soon as that could get complicated after November.
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planners and organisers can always have "mentors" - we often use adults to mentor juniors to avoid the issue of under-age planners (according to BOF insurance rules).
Result - skills get passed on, the mentor feels satisfaction at helping someone else, the mentor doesn't't feel they have had to do "yet another event", the mentee gets help to develop their planning and broader orienteering skills, the mentee avoids a disastrous first attempt at planning which puts them off.
Win-win I'd say.
So take this as an opportunity for progress and development rather than whingeing about it.
Result - skills get passed on, the mentor feels satisfaction at helping someone else, the mentor doesn't't feel they have had to do "yet another event", the mentee gets help to develop their planning and broader orienteering skills, the mentee avoids a disastrous first attempt at planning which puts them off.
Win-win I'd say.
So take this as an opportunity for progress and development rather than whingeing about it.
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The title is a little bit misleading but it is true that we are offering an option for a club and SOA membership. The SOA receives some funding from sportscotland to cover development costs - these include a contribution towards my own role, half of which is paid by the Scottish Orienteering 6-Day Company. Currently the main measure we are judged on is membership growth - not participation. It is hoped that we can encourage membership growth through the introduction of this new membership option. Clubs can of course encourage members to move up to the full BOF package, and participation in events wider afield and other BOF "benefits". It is unfair of smf to suggest clubs were not consulted - indeed a trial scheme ran in two Scottish clubs over the past year
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It will be worth Scottish clubs pointing out to members (and new ones in particular) that the British Championships are in Scotland next year so BOF membership is a better option for at least this year as this will allow them to run age-class courses at the top event in UK next year.
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Re: Scots opt out of BOF
[quote="Snail" ... The website contains Rules and Guidelines for SOA Competitions.
But the Rules and Guidelines for the sport simply point to the BOF version. Which of course currently state that organisers and planners must be BOF members -- and apply to any orienteering event held in GB & NI and registered with British Orienteering.
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Not just GB + NI anymore - IoM too
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But the Rules and Guidelines for the sport simply point to the BOF version. Which of course currently state that organisers and planners must be BOF members -- and apply to any orienteering event held in GB & NI and registered with British Orienteering.
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Not just GB + NI anymore - IoM too
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Re: Scots opt out of BOF
So is there any advantage to joining bof for the Scottish orienteer that is not doing the jk, orienteers occasionally in England and is not fussed whether they are allowed to pick up trophies at the British champs?
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