I think that was the best S6D we've ever been to. Thanks you everyone.
Another question (not just for the Scots):
Why don't we differentiate between 6 and 9 on the map with a line underneath or something so that you know when you've folded your map up and turned it round a few times to the direction of travel what number you are looking at?
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Would just like to add my thanks to the S6D team and associates. A very enjoyable week , great terrain and good courses that punished casual technique ( as i found out to my cost on two days ).
For Mrs H, back in the days of hand overprinting I am sure that 6 and 9 were distinguishable but that option does not seem to exist in modern electronic courses setting. It would be helpful at times.
For Mrs H, back in the days of hand overprinting I am sure that 6 and 9 were distinguishable but that option does not seem to exist in modern electronic courses setting. It would be helpful at times.
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johnrobinson wrote:I am sure that 6 and 9 were distinguishable but that option does not seem to exist in modern electronic courses setting. It would be helpful at times
Certainly would if number 6 was an upside down crag
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johnrobinson wrote:For Mrs H, back in the days of hand overprinting I am sure that 6 and 9 were distinguishable but that option does not seem to exist in modern electronic courses setting. It would be helpful at times.
Just checked Condes and you can change the font for the overprint to anything you like. There are fonts out there that have a straight line for a 9 (ie avoid the rotational symmetry between 6 and 9 that exists for most fonts). They tend to be handwriting fonts 'tho so not great otherwise. No idea what the assorted rules and regulations have to say about this?
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Until now, only that numbers should be 4mm tall. But ISOM2017 specifies "Sans-serif, 4mm, non-bold, non-italic", so possibly future versions of software may remove any option to change font.Marian wrote:No idea what the assorted rules and regulations have to say about this?
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Snail wrote:Until now, only that numbers should be 4mm tall. But ISOM2017 specifies "Sans-serif, 4mm, non-bold, non-italic", so possibly future versions of software may remove any option to change font.Marian wrote:No idea what the assorted rules and regulations have to say about this?
Sans Serif is just a generic name for the whole range of fonts that don't have fancy bits on the end of the stroke of the letter. ..... and include Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica.... so plenty to choose from. However, I do feel that the numbers are far more readable if the point size is about 15/16 and the numbers are Bold. Plus a white halo around the number helps it to stand out from the map. But, hey, they know best!
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RJ wrote:Snail wrote:Until now, only that numbers should be 4mm tall. But ISOM2017 specifies "Sans-serif, 4mm, non-bold, non-italic", so possibly future versions of software may remove any option to change font.
Sans Serif is just a generic name for the whole range of fonts that don't have fancy bits on the end of the stroke of the letter. ..... and include Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica.... so plenty to choose from. However, I do feel that the numbers are far more readable if the point size is about 15/16 and the numbers are Bold. Plus a white halo around the number helps it to stand out from the map. But, hey, they know best!
Up until now (with ISOM 2000) BOF recommended just that:
Ariel Bold 16-20pt (4-5mm)
ISOM 2017 specifies 4mm (16pt) - but that is on 1:15000 maps. For other scales it is a straight enlargement - so at 1:10000 it is 6mm (24pt) and at 1:7500 it is 8mm (32pt).
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Mrs H wrote:Why don't we differentiate between 6 and 9 on the map with a line underneath or something so that you know when you've folded your map up and turned it round a few times to the direction of travel what number you are looking at?
Back to the above, and away from font sizes, courses such as C24 on Day 4 had a crossover where #6 and #9 were close to one another on the map: many went from #5 to #6 via #9 by mistake, wasting valuable time with their error. Some went #5 to #9/10/11/12 and finished none the wiser also!
So, yes, let's encourage planning software developers to underline "6" and "9" where used as control numbers on the map, so that the underlines appear by default. This won't stop runners going from #5 to #9 in future but it would minimise the number who do ...
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DJM wrote:Mrs H wrote:Why don't we differentiate between 6 and 9 on the map with a line underneath or something so that you know when you've folded your map up and turned it round a few times to the direction of travel what number you are looking at?
Back to the above, and away from font sizes, courses such as C24 on Day 4 had a crossover where #6 and #9 were close to one another on the map: many went from #5 to #6 via #9 by mistake, wasting valuable time with their error. Some went #5 to #9/10/11/12 and finished none the wiser also!
So, yes, let's encourage planning software developers to underline "6" and "9" where used as control numbers on the map, so that the underlines appear by default. This won't stop runners going from #5 to #9 in future but it would minimise the number who do ...
Agreed! I think I posted in a previous thread I'd a run of three events in a row where I had a 6/9 control in close proximity. Its easy to blame the planner/controller but its a nightmare to police. Sometimes its as easy as removing a control earlier on which turns a 7/10 proximity into a 6/9 proximity. Cant believe this hasnt been addressed in the software before now!
And just to give extra work to the mods - what a great event the S6D was this year!
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Re: 6s and 9s
Mrs H wrote:I think that was the best S6D we've ever been to. Thanks you everyone.
Another question (not just for the Scots):
Why don't we differentiate between 6 and 9 on the map with a line underneath or something so that you know when you've folded your map up and turned it round a few times to the direction of travel what number you are looking at?
We had a map with a butterfly and the central control was 5/8/11 ... and guess what ... you approached the central control from the North so 6 looked like 9 and vice versa.
We discussed various ways of avoiding this, I don't recall which one we went for:
* Underlining 6 and 9
* Adding or removing a control from earlier in the course
Adding an extra control would make the central one 6/9/12 and since we approached from the N there still might be a possibility to think your 6 was a 9 and head straight to 10 so I think we added the control AND used an underline, but I'd have to check the maps.
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Re: 6s and 9s
Anyone got the skills to create a font with those numbers (6 and 9) underlined, or even to straighten the vertical line in the nine. Then the software could ask for the font (say, Overprint) when it is loaded initially on a computer. Just a manipulation of an existing font would do.
But it will create problems because all the text will now use the font... dates etc. Just a thought!
But it will create problems because all the text will now use the font... dates etc. Just a thought!
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Re: 6s and 9s
Just found a workaround.....
In the symbol table column in OCAD select the symbol (usually it's a 5, or T18) and duplicate it. Now edit that symbol to create an underline, with colour purple, thickness 0.6mm and distance from letter set at 1mm.
Then when the numbers appear on the screen with your course, select the 6, change the symbol to the new one and hey presto. Don't forget to save the changes.
In the symbol table column in OCAD select the symbol (usually it's a 5, or T18) and duplicate it. Now edit that symbol to create an underline, with colour purple, thickness 0.6mm and distance from letter set at 1mm.
Then when the numbers appear on the screen with your course, select the 6, change the symbol to the new one and hey presto. Don't forget to save the changes.
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Re: 6s and 9s
I have never understood why printed numbers stopped using a 9 with a vertical side. An extra underline is more confusing clutter hiding some potentially valuable information.
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