WOC Men's relegation
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I don't know many athletes (if any!) who think the current system for middle and long is fair in terms of who gets to run and when they get to start. It's one of the reasons that I am ambivalent about running those races. Why should I spent thousands of pounds chasing world ranking just to get a fair shot on the day. No thanks.
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DIDSCO wrote:is it fair that the Swedes only get 3 places for runners in the individual events?
They had 4 competitors in half the individual events.
Don't know whether it's fair, exactly, but it is in line with world championships in other sports which, e.g. athletics only allows 3 or 4 Kenyans per distance event.
Having an open qualification for individual events (based on what? WRE?) and doing away with team quotas would be a big advantage for athletes from a few countries but would remove selection decisions (and power) from national federations, who might not like that very much.
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greywolf wrote:DIDSCO wrote:is it fair that the Swedes only get 3 places for runners in the individual events?
They had 4 competitors in half the individual events.
Don't know whether it's fair, exactly, but it is in line with world championships in other sports which, e.g. athletics only allows 3 or 4 Kenyans per distance event.
Having an open qualification for individual events (based on what? WRE?) and doing away with team quotas would be a big advantage for athletes from a few countries but would remove selection decisions (and power) from national federations, who might not like that very much.
There would also be the risk that WOC starts to look like the Scandinavian championships or something like the baseball "World " Series. Part of the role of the IOF has to be to promote orienteering around the world and having access to WOC even if you have no chance of a medal surely has to be part of that.
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Re: WOC Men's relegation
greywolf wrote:DIDSCO wrote:is it fair that the Swedes only get 3 places for runners in the individual events?
They had 4 competitors in half the individual events.
Don't know whether it's fair, exactly, but it is in line with world championships in other sports which, e.g. athletics only allows 3 or 4 Kenyans per distance event.
Having an open qualification for individual events (based on what? WRE?) and doing away with team quotas would be a big advantage for athletes from a few countries but would remove selection decisions (and power) from national federations, who might not like that very much.
Yep Kenyan steeple chasers would have pretty much every place at the Olympics final if that was the case.
I am in Mharky's gang on this one - bring back qualification for all distances and let the likes of our Egyptian friend and Mark Heikoop have ago at qualifying but protect the quality of the final - not perfect but probably the best compromise.
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Re: WOC Men's relegation
In 2016 when the IOF awarded Norway the first WOC Forest O for 2019, the announcement mentioned qualification races for the middle.
http://orienteering.org/world-orienteer ... ld-norway/
http://orienteering.org/world-orienteer ... ld-norway/
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This is what the European Champs programme in 2018 looks like, it seems they've dropped the long qualification, quite quietly I might add.
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OK fine, I agree a qualification would be a good idea both to avoid complete numpties in the final, and to have a fairer way of defining start lists.
I still think the Division idea is a good one though, even when there are qualifiers. Rather than just saying every nation can enter 3 runners in the qualifiers, it would make more sense to retain the Division system and give better nations an advantage - bit like the Champions League. So say Division 1 get 6 entrants (or maybe even some direct places in the finals) while Division 3 only gets a couple.
I still think the Division idea is a good one though, even when there are qualifiers. Rather than just saying every nation can enter 3 runners in the qualifiers, it would make more sense to retain the Division system and give better nations an advantage - bit like the Champions League. So say Division 1 get 6 entrants (or maybe even some direct places in the finals) while Division 3 only gets a couple.
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Dont bring the "Champions League" into this. A better example of an exclusive closed shop style shyster fest I could not imagine!
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greywolf wrote:But how many sports allow so many joke "competitors" into their world champs? The qualification system and entry standards for the athletics world champs are here https://www.iaaf.org/competition/standards and whilst they do have a route for "unqualified athletes" it is one male or one female athlete in one event (and if that's field or road it's subject to approval by technical delegates).
One option here might be to specify a (generous) minimum WRE performance - if you haven't managed to score ?700 WRE points at a single forest race in the previous two years, you're probably not going to gain much from running the middle or long at WOC.
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That would be the logical idea. But what are the IOF interested in? Logic, or convincing the IOC that they are a global sport?
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