The IOF control descriptions are about to change. http://orienteering.org/the-final-draft ... published/
Boulders will be described using the knoll symbol, groups of boulders as single boulders and knolls as half the old symbol. That's inflation for you.
More significantly, they're removing the requirement to say which feature in column C when there are more than one but the actual one is obvious. Unknown to competitors, this was trialled at SOC this year, leading to some people not going to the "obvious" terrace....
New control descriptions.
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Re: New control descriptions.
Ahh the terrace in the trees (that weren't on the map, just like the other further NE along the coast), and just below the fairway on the golf course that wasn't mapped as open land or OOB.
Yes I remember that one.
Yes I remember that one.
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Re: New control descriptions.
Just thinking further about the example shown above - calling it crag foot might have been another option - seeing as the crag was easily the largest, most prominent feature in the circle (certainly the only feature that could have resulted in death or serious injury if ignored)... But maybe the terrace was nice and clear to most people...
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Re: New control descriptions.
Big Jon wrote:Ahh the terrace in the trees (that weren't on the map, just like the other further NE along the coast), and just below the fairway on the golf course that wasn't mapped as open land or OOB.
Yes I remember that one.
At least that control was in the right place (despite all the problems Big Jon mentions with the map), unlike the previous one on the boulder in the sea.
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Re: New control descriptions.
Homer wrote:Big Jon wrote:Ahh the terrace in the trees (that weren't on the map, just like the other further NE along the coast), and just below the fairway on the golf course that wasn't mapped as open land or OOB.
Yes I remember that one.
At least that control was in the right place (despite all the problems Big Jon mentions with the map), unlike the previous one on the boulder in the sea.
I luckily didn't have that one on my short course...
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Re: New control descriptions.
I like the new symbol for "pair of toy windmills".
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Re: New control descriptions.
Hmmm...
... possibly compared to continental drift.
I can see the rationale for using a round blob for a boulder (I did once loose a few minutes failing to find a control on the east side of a boulder when it was in fact correctly described on the east of the adjacent knoll). If we were starting from scratch that would probably be a better choice. But we are not starting from scratch; the round blob is already in use as one of the more common control descriptions. From January, I guess if I try hard enough I can force myself to remember it now is supposed to have a different meaning - how long it will take all planners and controllers to remember let alone all clubs to update their planning software so the new half blob knoll symbol is even available. Until then, if you see a round blob in your control descriptions then it won't be much help.
IOF wrote: the transition for those already familiar with the control descriptions would be relatively quick"
... possibly compared to continental drift.
I can see the rationale for using a round blob for a boulder (I did once loose a few minutes failing to find a control on the east side of a boulder when it was in fact correctly described on the east of the adjacent knoll). If we were starting from scratch that would probably be a better choice. But we are not starting from scratch; the round blob is already in use as one of the more common control descriptions. From January, I guess if I try hard enough I can force myself to remember it now is supposed to have a different meaning - how long it will take all planners and controllers to remember let alone all clubs to update their planning software so the new half blob knoll symbol is even available. Until then, if you see a round blob in your control descriptions then it won't be much help.
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Re: New control descriptions.
Scott wrote:I like the new symbol for "pair of toy windmills".
Using an out of bounds area as a control site doesn't sound like a good idea to me. (Yes , I can see that it could work in sprint, but...)
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Re: New control descriptions.
It would have solved a lot of confusion if IOF had made the move to coloured control descriptions. So black dot = boulder, brown dot = knoll, same as map. But that idea was rejected. There were reasons given, but I can't remember what they were....
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Re: New control descriptions.
Although I agree that there will be some transitional confusion, the proposed knoll symbol is great with a good visual link to the form of the feature. As the IOF consultation states, changing the black dot to represent the boulder is then logical since it then matches the map.
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Re: New control descriptions.
As a Controller I've just had an e mail from BOF. To quote:
The period of consultation is now over so this is primarily for information. However, the IOF are seeking comment on a late change proposed by Australia relating to the symbols for boulder, boulder cluster and dot knoll. A view has been expressed that this change is likely to promote confusion and require a significant, and probably only partially successful management of change process to change training and other material resulting in many documents containing different meanings for the same symbols.
So looks like Australia have a similar view to pete.owens
I tend to agree also. I'll give BOF my views.
The period of consultation is now over so this is primarily for information. However, the IOF are seeking comment on a late change proposed by Australia relating to the symbols for boulder, boulder cluster and dot knoll. A view has been expressed that this change is likely to promote confusion and require a significant, and probably only partially successful management of change process to change training and other material resulting in many documents containing different meanings for the same symbols.
So looks like Australia have a similar view to pete.owens
I tend to agree also. I'll give BOF my views.
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Re: New control descriptions.
Homer wrote:So looks like Australia have a similar view to pete.owens
No - if you read the IOF information is indicates that the late proposal to incorporate these new changes came from Australia.
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Re: New control descriptions.
Crazy idea to switch the symbols round. It will be years before all the planners update their software and get them right. As for all the literature in schools and available on the internet, this will never be replaced. This change will only cause confusion and needs to be reversed.
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Re: New control descriptions.
I have no problem with the proposed changes re knoll/boulder/boulder cluster. Boulder & boulder cluster then align with ISOM. I assume CONDES/OCAD (Purple Pen?) course planning will be quickly updated once proposals accepted, similar to what is happening with new ISOM symbols.
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Re: New control descriptions.
I think in general anything which makes it easier (or less obtuse in this case) for beginners is a good thing and should be considered even if it makes things a little difficult for us in the short term.
I do think they could have done something with the boulder field/cluster symbols though to simplify - these two are a pointless distinction IMO.
I do think they could have done something with the boulder field/cluster symbols though to simplify - these two are a pointless distinction IMO.
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