Control code size
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Re: Control code size
On one occasion when we borrowed some controls from a club which had covered the flashing bit with a label, we did get comments from a couple of competitors who were too deaf to hear the beep.
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Re: Control code size
Paul Frost wrote:DM wrote:Numbers which very nicely obscure the light that flashes when you punch, the same light that people who can't hear the beep rely on to assure themselves they have punched.
I don't have one to hand to test at the moment but I seem to remember that the whole casing glows a bit, I will test asap.
Personally I think the sound is much more positive than the flash, as your hand/arm is often covering your line of sight of the flash.
Also agree with the sound being more positive, if your hearing range covers the high pitched beeps we are given. If your high frequency hearing has gone (age or other reasons) then you rely on the light, and I don't think a glowing casing will keep those affected happy.
I'm not deaf either so can hear the variety of frequencies we get, from the urgent squeak to the lower pitched burp that might mean the battery needs replacing??
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Re: Control code size
DM wrote: from the urgent squeak to the lower pitched burp that might mean the battery needs replacing??
and the "gittintheffinole" noise that comes with emit punching.
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Re: Control code size
I'm just lighting the blue touchpaper and retiring to a safe distance...
Perhaps people with hearing difficulties should be buying one of the newer cards where the tip flashes
But seriously, not having the number on the control stake/holder makes putting out controls much easier for the planner, especially if you use the lightweight fibreglass poles. The physical bulk and weight is reduced so much that you can carry many more at a time. So perhaps the trade off of a less obvious flash is worth the saving in volunteer time and effort.
Perhaps people with hearing difficulties should be buying one of the newer cards where the tip flashes
But seriously, not having the number on the control stake/holder makes putting out controls much easier for the planner, especially if you use the lightweight fibreglass poles. The physical bulk and weight is reduced so much that you can carry many more at a time. So perhaps the trade off of a less obvious flash is worth the saving in volunteer time and effort.
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Re: Control code size
Visual and Audio are the indications of the sucessful punch.
The control code number should be visible from all angles to allow you to punch and move on. I found a picture of what i would expect them to look like from the Cornwall Orienteering website -
There must be someone, somewhere who can make the plates that secure to the top of the canes. It wont take no more than 10 secs to add them on when setting up/putting out the controls. Its even better to take them apart, you usually have a team of collectors than a single person (planner) putting them out.
The control code number should be visible from all angles to allow you to punch and move on. I found a picture of what i would expect them to look like from the Cornwall Orienteering website -
There must be someone, somewhere who can make the plates that secure to the top of the canes. It wont take no more than 10 secs to add them on when setting up/putting out the controls. Its even better to take them apart, you usually have a team of collectors than a single person (planner) putting them out.
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Re: Control code size
Mr D wrote:Visual and Audio are the indications of the sucessful punch.
It can't be a requirement to be both visual and audio or Emit wouldn't be acceptable.
Mr D wrote:The control code number should be visible from all angles to allow you to punch and move on.
You could argue that when you are close enough to punch, a horizontal number is visible from all approach angles, whereas vertical ones like in the photo can't be see from all approach angles.
Mr D wrote:It wont take no more than 10 secs to add them on when setting up/putting out the controls.
BASOC have large vertical numbers that we can attach to the stakes if we want, but they take more than 10 seconds to attach, and even longer when you fingers are cold and wet.
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Re: Control code size
After testing, the evidence is in...
Large numbers do not hide the flash
You could also trim the whitespace a bit more if you are still concerned.
Large numbers do not hide the flash
You could also trim the whitespace a bit more if you are still concerned.
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Re: Control code size
We just use numbers on the box. Admittedly we only have 31 - 99 on the series 8 boxes. The series 7 boxes have 100+ use the same font and fit OK. The text is orientated the other way so they meet the spec although I don't really think those specs should still be valid if the number is on the box.
I've always thought putting the number on the stake is a bit odd as you can only see it from certain directions. Actually having to go to the control before you can see it is the correct one is surely better than being able to read the number from a distance?
I've always thought putting the number on the stake is a bit odd as you can only see it from certain directions. Actually having to go to the control before you can see it is the correct one is surely better than being able to read the number from a distance?
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Re: Control code size
No problem.
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Re: Control code size
Paul wrote
" Mr D wrote:
Visual and Audio are the indications of the sucessful punch.
It can't be a requirement to be both visual and audio or Emit wouldn't be acceptable."
Ah but you know you have punched with EMIT if you make physical contact with a backup card. With SI the only proof you have is the feedback and there are plenty of orienteers that cannot hear.
Just because i can hear shouldn't mean I don't care about them. Mind you the IOF seem pretty slow to respond to colour blind people's views of map symbols so maybe if you have a disability that should be totally compatible with our sport they don't care.
" Mr D wrote:
Visual and Audio are the indications of the sucessful punch.
It can't be a requirement to be both visual and audio or Emit wouldn't be acceptable."
Ah but you know you have punched with EMIT if you make physical contact with a backup card. With SI the only proof you have is the feedback and there are plenty of orienteers that cannot hear.
Just because i can hear shouldn't mean I don't care about them. Mind you the IOF seem pretty slow to respond to colour blind people's views of map symbols so maybe if you have a disability that should be totally compatible with our sport they don't care.
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Re: Control code size
If you are coming to Royal Deeside 2017 for the Scottish 6 Days note:
S6D Technical manual states: Day Planners shall ensure that the T-bars are labelled clearly with the correct control codes.
BOF Rules state: The control code must be clearly displayed near the control banner and visible from the punching station. From my interpretation that could mean codes could just be displayed on the SI units (but would have to be 3 cm or larger)
IOF rules state: Each control shall be identified with a code number, which shall be fixed to the control so that a competitor using the marking device can clearly read the code.
Numbers less than 31 may not be used. The figures shall be black on white, between
3 and 10 cm in height and have a line thickness of 5 to 10 mm. Horizontally displayed codes shall be underlined if they could be misinterpreted by being read upside down (e.g. 161). Relevant as we have a World Ranking Event.
S6D Technical manual states: Day Planners shall ensure that the T-bars are labelled clearly with the correct control codes.
BOF Rules state: The control code must be clearly displayed near the control banner and visible from the punching station. From my interpretation that could mean codes could just be displayed on the SI units (but would have to be 3 cm or larger)
IOF rules state: Each control shall be identified with a code number, which shall be fixed to the control so that a competitor using the marking device can clearly read the code.
Numbers less than 31 may not be used. The figures shall be black on white, between
3 and 10 cm in height and have a line thickness of 5 to 10 mm. Horizontally displayed codes shall be underlined if they could be misinterpreted by being read upside down (e.g. 161). Relevant as we have a World Ranking Event.
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Re: Control code size
EddieH wrote:Ah but you know you have punched with EMIT if you make physical contact with a backup card. With SI the only proof you have is the feedback and there are plenty of orienteers that cannot hear.
and even if they can hear they could hear the beep from an adjacent unit...
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Re: Control code size
But as the above image shows, you can still see the flash, so there isn't a problem for those with limited hearing, and those with poor eyesight can hear the beep, so everybody is happy, problem solved.
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Re: Control code size
I suspect that the partially-obscured flash from behind the label appears less brilliant to the human eye in bright sunlight than it does to a CMOS sensor indoors.
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Re: Control code size
But still brighter than an emit 0.000001 candle jobbie.
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