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I'm sure this is what everyone wants.... but can't see it helping increase numbers in real orienteering much.....
Wonder how much money BOF are making out of it.... is it paying the levy?
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Somebody please tell me I'm wrong.
BUT the British Orienteering Federation is a federation of Associations.
This looks like the NGB again seeking to develop the sport by riding roughshod over the associations and clubs. The events are not on the DEE and WCH websites.
Do they approve?
BUT the British Orienteering Federation is a federation of Associations.
This looks like the NGB again seeking to develop the sport by riding roughshod over the associations and clubs. The events are not on the DEE and WCH websites.
Do they approve?
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As DEE and WCH's logos are on the flyer presume they're allowing their maps to be used. Are they charging the organiser a fee for their use?
Are they using SI timing - if so who's providing the equipment?
Are they using SI timing - if so who's providing the equipment?
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aiming off wrote:The events are not on the DEE and WCH websites.
or on the BO fixture list.
That said I think it's a great initiative and I'd love to see one up here. I'm sure there will be benefits coming to the clubs (eg map copyright fees). In the current financial climate I'd be surprized if the deal doesn't involve BO getting an payment equivalent to the levy that any member club would pay.
Have to say I'm a tad jealous of the event getting the banner headline on the BO web site. The Scottish Night & Sprint Champs weekend on 18/19 Feb that MOR is staging at Darnaway and Lossie should be equally as good.
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aiming off wrote:The events are not on the DEE and WCH websites.
can't see them on BOF fixtures list either
Ahhh well.... the support given from BOF is probably counted as essential core funding & I guess to all the non orienteers running round what sounds like a simple score event is good for the future.... who knows, it might quite well be... others with more knowledge & experience than me will know the answer
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I can confirm at least one, and I think all 3, clubs are aware of and involved in this, but I don't have details to hand.
There is communication with clubs this time, unlike some previous initiatives.
There is communication with clubs this time, unlike some previous initiatives.
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I like the way that nearly all of the pictures are of the Red Bull Robin Hood events. Do Perfect Motion or Trailplus have a connection with Red Bull? If not, have they asked permission to use the photos?
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I had to google Thames Chase forest. Seems like it's a name which means "various country parks and woods in Essex and East London". Thames Chase Forest centre looks like it's Belhus Woods Country Park (HAVOC area, near the Dartford Crossing)?
It sounds like something fun and a bit different so I will probably give it a try.
It sounds like something fun and a bit different so I will probably give it a try.
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Why all the negative comments? If it gets more people having a go at something with an orienteering content what's wrong with it?
Look at the websites for the 2 companies connected with this and you will see;
Photos; They would be daft to use photos without checking usage rights first. What did entrants for the Red Bull event sign up to when they entered? Probably they were OK with photos being taken for possible future use by the organisers.
We know we need more people in the sport, we want more younger people in to redress the ageing demographic and we (oldies) need to accept that we can not attract younger ones and in general (a number of notable exceptions) are not good at the publicity bit.
Rather than pointless speculating about levy, photorights etc, why not support it and take whatever benefit comes along?
Look at the websites for the 2 companies connected with this and you will see;
- a clear website
- a good list of well known clients
- people in photos of the age we keep telling ourselves we want to get involved
Photos; They would be daft to use photos without checking usage rights first. What did entrants for the Red Bull event sign up to when they entered? Probably they were OK with photos being taken for possible future use by the organisers.
We know we need more people in the sport, we want more younger people in to redress the ageing demographic and we (oldies) need to accept that we can not attract younger ones and in general (a number of notable exceptions) are not good at the publicity bit.
Rather than pointless speculating about levy, photorights etc, why not support it and take whatever benefit comes along?
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DM wrote:Photos; They would be daft to use photos without checking usage rights first. What did entrants for the Red Bull event sign up to when they entered? Probably they were OK with photos being taken for possible future use by the organisers.
I was thinking more in terms of "is there a connection between the firms involved and Red Bull?".
You are correct in that there was a full A4 sheet of disclaimers that had to be signed before competing in the Robin Hood event. A couple of the photos on the Red Bull website even show some of the oldies that took part. At a quick count, last year in the individual event there were 3 M55s, 3 M60s, no W55s and 1 W60 (me) out of 113 competitors.
I'd be interested to know how many of those who are not regular orienteers decided to try another event. The couple parked next to us last year said they had come because they really enjoyed the event the year before. They hadn't orienteered in the year in between however.
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I think its a good idea.
This event will sell out, and will have more attendees than a local Level C event.
You will capture the "gym people" vs "the runners" vs "the Orienteer!".
I fully expect all the Orienteers to win as per the Red Bull Robin Hood Race.
This event will sell out, and will have more attendees than a local Level C event.
You will capture the "gym people" vs "the runners" vs "the Orienteer!".
I fully expect all the Orienteers to win as per the Red Bull Robin Hood Race.
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I also think its a great idea but only if (as KP says) its tied into the local clubs and they are adequately resourced (in terms of volunteers and events) to deal with any newcomers.
Sounds like a step forward from the run challenge stuff both in terms of professionalism and communication! Well done BOF.
Sounds like a step forward from the run challenge stuff both in terms of professionalism and communication! Well done BOF.
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I think some of the frustrations/negativity with initiatives like this is because many people feel BO should be doing more to support club development.
Persuading private event companies to do orienteering type activities is an excellent idea, it should definitely be supported IMHO.
But much greater scale is provided by orienteering clubs. There are more of them, they're doing many more events, plus people starting orienteering through a club are more likely to go on and join a club and become active members*
I think many orienteering clubs would really benefit from development officers which can help clubs deliver initiatives devised by the clubs by working closely with clubs. I'm sure that lots of clubs are keen on this, but the initiatives could all look different, but no doubt also similar, involving improved publicity, better focused local events, junior development initiatives, more effective competitions, coaching etc.
But it's probably a bit unrealistic to expect BO to do this. In England anyway supporting well established clubs doesn't seem to attract government funding, we don't seem to want to fund BO, and BO are a bit remote for development officers who work with clubs.
The associations seem the appropriate level to provide development support since they are closer to the clubs, but I did quick scan through their websites and couldn't find much about development initiatives organised by the England and Wales assocations. I know there's lots going on in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Perhaps the "club mentors" (from other sports?) that DFOK used for example is the way forward.
The annual development conference might be a good opportunity to discuss "what should the assocations do about club development, and how", if that isn't too much of a hot potato.
* in theory, if they're not put off by their first event ...
Persuading private event companies to do orienteering type activities is an excellent idea, it should definitely be supported IMHO.
But much greater scale is provided by orienteering clubs. There are more of them, they're doing many more events, plus people starting orienteering through a club are more likely to go on and join a club and become active members*
I think many orienteering clubs would really benefit from development officers which can help clubs deliver initiatives devised by the clubs by working closely with clubs. I'm sure that lots of clubs are keen on this, but the initiatives could all look different, but no doubt also similar, involving improved publicity, better focused local events, junior development initiatives, more effective competitions, coaching etc.
But it's probably a bit unrealistic to expect BO to do this. In England anyway supporting well established clubs doesn't seem to attract government funding, we don't seem to want to fund BO, and BO are a bit remote for development officers who work with clubs.
The associations seem the appropriate level to provide development support since they are closer to the clubs, but I did quick scan through their websites and couldn't find much about development initiatives organised by the England and Wales assocations. I know there's lots going on in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Perhaps the "club mentors" (from other sports?) that DFOK used for example is the way forward.
The annual development conference might be a good opportunity to discuss "what should the assocations do about club development, and how", if that isn't too much of a hot potato.
* in theory, if they're not put off by their first event ...
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SeanC wrote:I think some of the frustrations/negativity with initiatives like this is because many people feel BO should be doing more to support club development.
Exactly so.
I don't care if the event is put on by Perfect Motion, Trailplus, Red Bull vs DFOK, SYO, NOC. I'm happy to back the quality of my volunteer-run events against the professionals, good though the latter may be.
But I do care that any club event I put on is on a level playing field with respect to levy, official's qualifications etc. Read what Trailplus say below. Figure out which way the money is flowing (clue: events not in the fixture list don't attract levy, "Customers" don't get paid). Then ask yourself if your club would be better off staging your events on those terms.
Customer: BritishOrienteering
The governing body for the sport of orienteering needed a creative and affordable event initiative to attract newcomers to the sport of orienteering.
Whilst we pride ourselves and delivering industry-leading functional and logistical solutions for all aspects of sports event management, it is often our creative touch and inventive twists that appeal to our clients. It certainly did in this case with the British Orienteering Federation seeking delivery of three ‘mini’ orienteering festivals over the next 12 months.
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graeme wrote:But I do care that any club event I put on is on a level playing field with respect to levy, official's qualifications etc.
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