BOF AGM Outcome
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BOF AGM Outcome
So what's the news? I assume the AGM was well attended by Nopesporters.
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Re: BOF AGM Outcome
Freefall wrote:So what's the news? I assume the AGM was well attended by Nopesporters.
- There was a good room full of people (I'm guessing 70-90),
- We held an minute's silence to mark the sad passing of our Vice President and founder member, John Disley CBE,
- We were inspired by a talk by Elisabet Barnes (niece of JK) tell us about Ultra Running and its affect on her life (non stop Birmingham to London race along the Grand Union canal, anyone? ). She also told us more about her family including Jan, and that had he not been tragically killed then quite likely Elizabet would have been an orienteer,
- We approved the minutes of the last AGM,
- We discussed the Annual Report and Financial Statements, and the Board was urged to in future provide more information about the ways in which BOF spends money,
- The accounts of 2015 were adopted, and auditors appointed for 2016,
- Sir Chris Bonnington was re-elected as President,
- Bob Dredge and Julie Webster were elected as directors on the Board,
- I announced and Craig Anthony gave awards and trophies to lots of people for excellence in mapping, coaching, volunteering, being great clubs, and generally doing great stuff in support of our sport ,
- I thanked retiring director John Woodall for his many years of support on the Board,
- I thanked everyone at the AGM for attending.
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Spookster wrote:the Board wished to withdraw proposal 3 (about Membership and Levy) from the agenda,
So, lost on proxy votes already then.
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Re: BOF AGM Outcome
Good news - most people will think this is the right outcome
The nopesport discussion might be running out of steam though.
The immediate problem IMHO is that orienteers are being asked for a substantial some of money for items the either don't understand, or aren't that enthusiastic about. Some selling and explaining is needed. Orienteers tend to say no to investing in these circumstances. We are not a risk taking bunch.
Personally I don't think more articles in Focus will be enough. Orienteers need to ask questions so face to face meetings would be better. I also don't think visits to associations by directors will be enough either as it's club opinions that influence voting more*. The discussions need to be happening in clubs as soon as possible, and it could take many months for information to filter down through association meetings to club meetings.
So, I would like to suggest that our elected directors visit clubs in the next few weeks and months to talk to the committee types most likely to form opinion within clubs. A meeting between a director and 10-15 club members seems an ideal size. The board will then have an opportunity to sell the idea of paying BO more money, understand the issues facing different clubs, and gather ideas (for cost savings etc).
The main problem with this approach is that (I don't think) any directors live in the South of England or in Scotland, but visits to more remote clubs might be possible after events. Ie meet up in a pub after an event over scampi and chips.
Maybe ex-directors might be able to help as well?
It's possibly a lot to ask of our directors. The least clubs could do would be to offer free event entry, overnight accommodation if necessary, and buy them a pub meal.
*except Scotland?
The nopesport discussion might be running out of steam though.
The immediate problem IMHO is that orienteers are being asked for a substantial some of money for items the either don't understand, or aren't that enthusiastic about. Some selling and explaining is needed. Orienteers tend to say no to investing in these circumstances. We are not a risk taking bunch.
Personally I don't think more articles in Focus will be enough. Orienteers need to ask questions so face to face meetings would be better. I also don't think visits to associations by directors will be enough either as it's club opinions that influence voting more*. The discussions need to be happening in clubs as soon as possible, and it could take many months for information to filter down through association meetings to club meetings.
So, I would like to suggest that our elected directors visit clubs in the next few weeks and months to talk to the committee types most likely to form opinion within clubs. A meeting between a director and 10-15 club members seems an ideal size. The board will then have an opportunity to sell the idea of paying BO more money, understand the issues facing different clubs, and gather ideas (for cost savings etc).
The main problem with this approach is that (I don't think) any directors live in the South of England or in Scotland, but visits to more remote clubs might be possible after events. Ie meet up in a pub after an event over scampi and chips.
Maybe ex-directors might be able to help as well?
It's possibly a lot to ask of our directors. The least clubs could do would be to offer free event entry, overnight accommodation if necessary, and buy them a pub meal.
*except Scotland?
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Unfortunately SeanC, I cannot see the independent directors travelling for members views, but they might form and express their views on how the BO Board could be in more in tune with its affiliated clubs, associations and members.
The problem IMO is we have five directors who are orienteers, a CEO and independents who are none orienteers. Apart from an annual Clubs and Assocations Conference there is no formal input on development from the clubs, associations or from members anymore. If I was a director I would be concerned that unconsidered views taken in carparks (CEO explanation of AGM proposal) from members might not give a balanced view. If the directors believe otherwise, I dare say the proxy votes might possibly leave them in little doubt, only my speculation. Personally I'm hopeful that if we keep the discussion going, some longterm good will come out of this.
The problem IMO is we have five directors who are orienteers, a CEO and independents who are none orienteers. Apart from an annual Clubs and Assocations Conference there is no formal input on development from the clubs, associations or from members anymore. If I was a director I would be concerned that unconsidered views taken in carparks (CEO explanation of AGM proposal) from members might not give a balanced view. If the directors believe otherwise, I dare say the proxy votes might possibly leave them in little doubt, only my speculation. Personally I'm hopeful that if we keep the discussion going, some longterm good will come out of this.
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Edit - I meant elected directors. Sorry, now edited.
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I see there is lots about the AGM and the JK on the British Orienteering website.
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Awk > yeah but the BOF website news on March 31st does tell us that that the JK in 1994 took place in the West Midlands. Maybe if we wait 22 years they might tell us the JK in 2016 took place in Yorkshire.......
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Awk and Didsco, unfortunately you're referring to our outward looking NGB!?
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Whereas Nopesport tells us about an event 88 years in the futureDIDSCO wrote:Awk > yeah but the BOF website news on March 31st does tell us that that the JK in 1994 took place in the West Midlands. Maybe if we wait 22 years they might tell us the JK in 2016 took place in Yorkshire.......
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I emailed BOF last Wednesday pointing out therewas nothing from the JK on the website.... not heard a dickie bird since.
No idea how such a useless organization survives..... well they might not be useless at completing funding surveys etc but as far as orienteering goes they are up there as useless
No idea how such a useless organization survives..... well they might not be useless at completing funding surveys etc but as far as orienteering goes they are up there as useless
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awk wrote:I see there is lots about the AGM and the JK on the British Orienteering website.
Yes, sorry Andy, there really ought to be. Unfortunately it looks like nobody from the organising team (and I don't mean the planner!) has written and submitted anything, because I'm certain that had they done so, it would have been published. The staff in the office (who weren't there, apart from the AGM) can't just invent a story, and an article that just says "the JK happened, and here are the results pages" isn't much better than having nothing at all.
The AGM article was published last Thursday, and the AGM minutes will be published just as soon as they are ready.
Gross wrote:No idea how such a useless organization survives..... well they might not be useless at completing funding surveys etc but as far as orienteering goes they are up there as useless
We (the volunteers who help to run BOF) survive by being continually encouraged by your positive contributions Gordon. I'm sure we couldn't do it without you.
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Spookster wrote:awk wrote:I see there is lots about the AGM and the JK on the British Orienteering website.
Yes, sorry Andy, there really ought to be. Unfortunately it looks like nobody from the organising team (and I don't mean the planner!) has written and submitted anything, because I'm certain that had they done so, it would have been published. The staff in the office (who weren't there, apart from the AGM) can't just invent a story, and an article that just says "the JK happened, and here are the results pages" isn't much better than having nothing at all.
Frankly, that's a poor excuse.
This is probably a job too far for any organising team.
Surely, there are enough literate orienteers out there who would willingly post results and a brief 'headlines' write up. Maybe BOF should consider setting up such a pool if there is no one at head office able or willing to do this?
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mikey wrote:Frankly, that's a poor excuse. This is probably a job too far for any organising team.
No, big events (WOC, etc) do have people assigned to this role - but it's down to how best to deploy volunteers, and what the Organiser thinks the priorities are for their team.
mikey wrote:Surely, there are enough literate orienteers out there who would willingly post results and a brief 'headlines' write up.
You would think so, wouldn't you. But very few people volunteered last time we asked, such that there are now only 2 of us left.
If more people would volunteer, that would be great!
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Spookster wrote:mikey wrote:Frankly, that's a poor excuse. This is probably a job too far for any organising team.
No, big events (WOC, etc) do have people assigned to this role - but it's down to how best to deploy volunteers, and what the Organiser thinks the priorities are for their team.mikey wrote:Surely, there are enough literate orienteers out there who would willingly post results and a brief 'headlines' write up.
You would think so, wouldn't you. But very few people volunteered last time we asked.
No harm in asking again. There might even by someone with press connections or aspirations. You could give them a job title, albeit a voluntary post, say Press Officer for 12 months.
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