Has anyone any idea what BOF's views were when the Federations were consulted on this in early 2015 and what BOF's views are to the final proposal that is due to be discussed and decided on 6 August as follows:
http://orienteering.org/wp-content/uplo ... -final.pdf
Personally I agree with the open letter sent to the IOF that more time should be given before making any major decisions. If the proposal is passed it will be put into immediate effect for the 2019 WOC.
Open letter is here.http://news.worldofo.com/2015/07/09/ope ... g-the-woc/
IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
The current WOC structure was approved in 2012 and implemented in 2014. Four years notice this time seems reasonable. IOF have extended the bid deadline for 2019 twice, and still nobody wants to do it in the current format. No doubt when other countries hear how inspiring the WOC2015 team have found the process, the bids will come flooding in.
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
Yes but the alternative proposed is to go back to having it every 2 years (in the current format). So you'd only need half as many organisers.
I wonder what the main reasons are why not more countries are bidding, and whether there are other ways to address them than splitting WOC in 2. Less money to IOF? Relax the TV needs a little? As an outsider it does feel like a rough deal to the organiser, not only do you have to do all this work, you also have to pay the IOF for it. As opposed to WMOC where at least you get lots of cash for your troubles (and no TV).
I wonder what the main reasons are why not more countries are bidding, and whether there are other ways to address them than splitting WOC in 2. Less money to IOF? Relax the TV needs a little? As an outsider it does feel like a rough deal to the organiser, not only do you have to do all this work, you also have to pay the IOF for it. As opposed to WMOC where at least you get lots of cash for your troubles (and no TV).
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
Pay your £/€ to IOF
Bend over backwards to accommodate IOF
Profit? (aye, right)
needs to change
Bend over backwards to accommodate IOF
Profit? (aye, right)
needs to change
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
Interestingly the IOF proposal puts forward three sprint events for the Sprint WOC, including an as yet unknown sprint format to be devised by the FootO Commission.
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maprun wrote:Interestingly the IOF proposal puts forward three sprint events for the Sprint WOC, including an as yet unknown sprint format to be devised by the FootO Commission.
Urban!!
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maprun wrote:Interestingly the IOF proposal puts forward three sprint events for the Sprint WOC, including an as yet unknown sprint format to be devised by the FootO Commission.
the format doen't really matter as long as it can be armchair-planned at the last minute by the SEA
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Was the original (i.e. about 3 years ago when it was first suggested) format not Knockout Sprint? Also I think there might have been separate sprint relays rather than Mixed.
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greywolf wrote:maprun wrote:Interestingly the IOF proposal puts forward three sprint events for the Sprint WOC, including an as yet unknown sprint format to be devised by the FootO Commission.
the format doen't really matter as long as it can be armchair-planned at the last minute by the SEA
With my Stress Risk Assessment head on I'm thinking some clarification of the role/remit of the SEA might be in order...
JK wrote:Was the original (i.e. about 3 years ago when it was first suggested) format not Knockout Sprint? Also I think there might have been separate sprint relays rather than Mixed.
I started off thinking mixed sprint relay was a wholly daft idea but I'm coming around to the feeling that its actually just so progressive that we haven't all twigged yet. There aren't many sports where women and men can compete in the same team - we should make more of that!
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andypat wrote:greywolf wrote:the format doen't really matter as long as it can be armchair-planned at the last minute by the SEA
With my Stress Risk Assessment head on I'm thinking some clarification of the role/remit of the SEA might be in order...
EOC in Portugal someone had to re-plan the Long courses overnight since someone had uploaded the wrong maps to the website after the Middle (or was it vice versa?). The resulting courses were as close to expected winning times as you'd expect.
I doubt that was the SEA though - SEAs are supposed to "advise", not "do".
andypat wrote:JK wrote:Was the original (i.e. about 3 years ago when it was first suggested) format not Knockout Sprint? Also I think there might have been separate sprint relays rather than Mixed.
I started off thinking mixed sprint relay was a wholly daft idea but I'm coming around to the feeling that its actually just so progressive that we haven't all twigged yet. There aren't many sports where women and men can compete in the same team - we should make more of that!
There is some precendent in other Nordic sports, for instance the mixed relay in Biathlon is getting more popular.
In my opinion having a Mixed Sprint Relay fits in well with an all-in-one-place WOC, whereas with separate WOCs maybe they'd have separate Men and Women's Sprint Relays.
WSOC has a slightly different format of Mixed Sprint - 1 Man, 1 Woman, 3 laps each (I think this is the format of the Sprint Relays in XC Skiing). Since WSOC typically has a single Arena then the whole area around it can get over-used and IMO 2+2 would be better.
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
My "Urban!!" comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek, it was the knockout sprint that was trialled and suggested as part of a split WOC.
There are (as always) people against splitting it (at this stage anyway): http://news.worldofo.com/2015/07/09/ope ... g-the-woc/
The EOC re-plan was I think done by some experienced people who happened to be there and offered to do it - I can't remember exactly. Don't think it was the SEA.
You'd definitely never see an SEA doing any planning.
There are (as always) people against splitting it (at this stage anyway): http://news.worldofo.com/2015/07/09/ope ... g-the-woc/
JK wrote:I doubt that was the SEA though - SEAs are supposed to "advise", not "do".
The EOC re-plan was I think done by some experienced people who happened to be there and offered to do it - I can't remember exactly. Don't think it was the SEA.
You'd definitely never see an SEA doing any planning.
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andy wrote:JK wrote:I doubt that was the SEA though - SEAs are supposed to "advise", not "do".
The EOC re-plan was I think done by some experienced people who happened to be there and offered to do it - I can't remember exactly. Don't think it was the SEA.
You'd definitely never see an SEA doing any planning.
In TrailO the SEA can often get more involved than they should. It does depend on the experience of the host nation though. The intention for ETOC 2016 is that neither the SEA or the Assistant SEA will be doing any planning as the CZE Planner/Mapper is very experienced
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
Link to WorldofO live blog on the IOF meeting making the decision this morning. More live action!
http://news.worldofo.com/2015/08/06/liv ... -assembly/
http://news.worldofo.com/2015/08/06/liv ... -assembly/
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andy wrote:
You'd definitely never see an SEA doing any planning.
Mr Ackland implied that WOC Mens Middle was planned by SEA from his armchair in Norway
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Re: IOF Proposal to Alternate Forest & Sprint/Urban WOC
So alternate years it is. I agree with Canada's point that you'll end up with 2 completely different sets of athletes rather than folk who can do both, although that will probably happen less in countries that have both like the UK and Denmark etc.
It avoids the nonsense of countries like Egypt coming and just running along the tracks in the middle distance.
More countries will enter and want to host sprint/urban O so I'm concerned "real" WOC will have fewer countries and less money.
It avoids the nonsense of countries like Egypt coming and just running along the tracks in the middle distance.
More countries will enter and want to host sprint/urban O so I'm concerned "real" WOC will have fewer countries and less money.
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