Don't the rules stipulate that adjacent clubs have to be in the same region? In SCOA there are virtually no Juniors in BKO. BADO and TVOC juniors do not tend to travel. In the past that has meant SOC haven't been able to enter a team. Their other adjacent clubs, out of region, are SO and SARUM who have no trouble in getting out teams. One year, not long ago ,SO had 3 teams! Where does that leave the 4 or so people in SOC who'd wanted to run?
What could be done in this kind of situation? At the moment SOC don't enter as they don't have enough to make up a team and there aren't any adjacent clubs who can join up with them.
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The go to the organisers who then sort out the remainder of a team for them. This sounds like a great plan to avoid the formation of super teams. And I'm sure it's not a case of "turn up on the day and find out," they shoudl know if they have a team well befor it comes to travelling.
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its not about forming a super team to win the competition,
everybody wants to be in a competitve team, its a competitive sport!
So the rules should be taylored to include these clubs with smaller amount of juniors, rather than organising a non comp team for them.
i certainly would not pay lots of money to travel south for the sake of it. Do you not want to be at least competitive?
Why did non comp teams get formed in the first place?
Well when we did ours, it was for a number of reasons one being the complete lack of juniors in our clubs but we wanted to take part, yet run with the people who we have organised the trip with and be competitive also.
The organisers aim, whilst trying to include everyone, should be to try and make as many people comeptive as possible. Not have a slapstick solution of chucking people into non comp teams.
I'm not even sure what classes an adjacent club, hence this should be defined clearly on the entry form or something.
What exactly are the rules about adjacent clubs anyways? Can there be more than one club join?
everybody wants to be in a competitve team, its a competitive sport!
So the rules should be taylored to include these clubs with smaller amount of juniors, rather than organising a non comp team for them.
i certainly would not pay lots of money to travel south for the sake of it. Do you not want to be at least competitive?
Why did non comp teams get formed in the first place?
Well when we did ours, it was for a number of reasons one being the complete lack of juniors in our clubs but we wanted to take part, yet run with the people who we have organised the trip with and be competitive also.
The organisers aim, whilst trying to include everyone, should be to try and make as many people comeptive as possible. Not have a slapstick solution of chucking people into non comp teams.
I'm not even sure what classes an adjacent club, hence this should be defined clearly on the entry form or something.
What exactly are the rules about adjacent clubs anyways? Can there be more than one club join?
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What it comes down to is that the Peter Palmer is a club competition. It's not about getting competitive teams and international racing practice, it's about clubs competing against each other. There are plenty of other relays you can run non competitively in to get competitive relay practice.
And who's to say that a team made by the organisers wouldn't be competitive anyway? All it does it stop people forming "super" teams with all their mates from the Start Squad when some of them (this is not everybody I'm talking about), haven't even bothered trying to mobilise the rest of their club into action as they've just assumed people "won't travel" etc. Maybe some of these people simply feel they're not wanted in a team because their most important members would rather run with their mates in a "competitive non competitive team" then attempt to achieve something as a club.
I think the organisers making teams is a good solution. It at least deserves a try.
And who's to say that a team made by the organisers wouldn't be competitive anyway? All it does it stop people forming "super" teams with all their mates from the Start Squad when some of them (this is not everybody I'm talking about), haven't even bothered trying to mobilise the rest of their club into action as they've just assumed people "won't travel" etc. Maybe some of these people simply feel they're not wanted in a team because their most important members would rather run with their mates in a "competitive non competitive team" then attempt to achieve something as a club.
I think the organisers making teams is a good solution. It at least deserves a try.
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haven't got enough people in the club, can't we please have a smaller and easier competition?
no, stop moaning and put the effort in to go and find some people to make up the team. there's plenty of people in the country so go and find some and teach them to orienteer up to whatever standard the race in question requires.
no, stop moaning and put the effort in to go and find some people to make up the team. there's plenty of people in the country so go and find some and teach them to orienteer up to whatever standard the race in question requires.
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drew > i take it that your comment is aimed at me. i not sure what you think of as being unconstructive in my post.
as you say, orienteering is a competitive sport. club team competitions (ie relays and points-based competitions) are an excellent way to make newcomers to the club/sport feel that they are able to contribute something to the club/team. hence it seems straightforward to see a lack of suitable runners as an excellent excuse, were one needed (and it always helps to have one), to go out and recruit and train up kids.
my remarks do not, of course, apply just to this case. far from it. discussion on the british relays and compass sport cup has thrown up the same response... the club can't cope. fewer people please, shorter, easier. not a particularly useful solution, according to me.
if yu don't think i'm making a constructive suggestion and don't want to start a revolution, then fine. but i hope some people will...
when alan hansen said that thing about kids, he didn't say "you'll never win anything with the england U21 team" actually. also, just out of idle interest, did i sign anything tht said i had to be constructive?
as you say, orienteering is a competitive sport. club team competitions (ie relays and points-based competitions) are an excellent way to make newcomers to the club/sport feel that they are able to contribute something to the club/team. hence it seems straightforward to see a lack of suitable runners as an excellent excuse, were one needed (and it always helps to have one), to go out and recruit and train up kids.
my remarks do not, of course, apply just to this case. far from it. discussion on the british relays and compass sport cup has thrown up the same response... the club can't cope. fewer people please, shorter, easier. not a particularly useful solution, according to me.
if yu don't think i'm making a constructive suggestion and don't want to start a revolution, then fine. but i hope some people will...
when alan hansen said that thing about kids, he didn't say "you'll never win anything with the england U21 team" actually. also, just out of idle interest, did i sign anything tht said i had to be constructive?
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i was refering to your unrealistic comments about finding people training them up.
My point that i am trying to get accross is that im sure its possible for the event to cater for everyone, perhaps as i said before an explicit definition of the rules for combining adjacent clubs, so people know where they stand.
I dont follow football so i wouldn't know what alan hansen had said...
My point that i am trying to get accross is that im sure its possible for the event to cater for everyone, perhaps as i said before an explicit definition of the rules for combining adjacent clubs, so people know where they stand.
I dont follow football so i wouldn't know what alan hansen had said...
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Drew wrote:I dont follow football so i wouldn't know what alan hansen had said...
i do believe someone at shuoc said something similar about euoc's chances of winning busa with kids
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If you look at the Peter Palmers legs, with two oreinteering families or a small school you can have a team or near enough.
Night Red x2
orange, yellow, green and light green
The night legs and LG and Green means that you need 4 people with at least a years experiance of fairly reguler oreinteering. The yellow and orange could be managed by either slightly older in experiance oreinteers or younger ones with a bit more experiance.
I would be suprised if there was one or two juniors in club who were enthusatic they couldnt liase with mebership secetaries/ their school to make up a team with a couple of months notice and some persuasion.
Night Red x2
orange, yellow, green and light green
The night legs and LG and Green means that you need 4 people with at least a years experiance of fairly reguler oreinteering. The yellow and orange could be managed by either slightly older in experiance oreinteers or younger ones with a bit more experiance.
I would be suprised if there was one or two juniors in club who were enthusatic they couldnt liase with mebership secetaries/ their school to make up a team with a couple of months notice and some persuasion.
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Peter Palmer Relays ENTRIES?
O.K folks this is the deal from COBOC,.....
Yes, I know the closing date is three weeks away,
Yes, I know that's "plenty of time"
BUT you know what'l happen,
three weeks turns into two weeks, two weeks turns into two weeks and before you know the closing date is here and gone.
Don't keep on saying "Oh yes we think the Peter Palmer Relays is a wonderful event and we don't want it to disappear"
Because if you don't get YOUR team together, that's exactly what will happen.
Juniors nag your club captains to get it sorted.
So far, as of 29th June we have precisely TWO entries. The closing date is 19th July
GET IT SORTED
Yes, I know the closing date is three weeks away,
Yes, I know that's "plenty of time"
BUT you know what'l happen,
three weeks turns into two weeks, two weeks turns into two weeks and before you know the closing date is here and gone.
Don't keep on saying "Oh yes we think the Peter Palmer Relays is a wonderful event and we don't want it to disappear"
Because if you don't get YOUR team together, that's exactly what will happen.
Juniors nag your club captains to get it sorted.
So far, as of 29th June we have precisely TWO entries. The closing date is 19th July
GET IT SORTED
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yep, same club.
after the wonderful turn-out at the JIRCs, plus remembering all those regional squad members that didn't get to go to that, I simply can't believe that there aren't lots of potential teams out there, and juniors for whom this would be a great chance to get involved with older juniors in their club for the first time and have a go at the yellow course. One of the reds is actually a "dawn" leg I think, so not that intimidating either for a fit good runner.
Might serve as an inspiration for getting more juniors into the YB trophy rounds as well for your club. Our YB round is just a fortnight after the Peter Palmer Relays; great opportunity for team buiilding!
after the wonderful turn-out at the JIRCs, plus remembering all those regional squad members that didn't get to go to that, I simply can't believe that there aren't lots of potential teams out there, and juniors for whom this would be a great chance to get involved with older juniors in their club for the first time and have a go at the yellow course. One of the reds is actually a "dawn" leg I think, so not that intimidating either for a fit good runner.
Might serve as an inspiration for getting more juniors into the YB trophy rounds as well for your club. Our YB round is just a fortnight after the Peter Palmer Relays; great opportunity for team buiilding!
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