Moray 2013

[Gross]

Name names Mrs H..... but I've had a guess

[Mrs H]

I shan't be naming any names - I have today received a very handsome apology.

[Oldman]

Am I alone in thinking that a minimum of £15 per day for an age class course (£90 for the week) is quite expensive? I thought the BOF levy was subtantially lower now (£1 vs about £3). What were the fees in 2011 with the higher levy? Pensions haven't gone up for many of us!

[smf]

Am I alone in thinking that a minimum of £15 per day for an age class course (£90 for the week) is quite expensive?

Its cheaper than JK2013 which is £17 per day.

I thought the BOF levy was subtantially lower now (£1 vs about £3).

The Scottish Six Days pays a multi day levy which is 50% of the normal levy which goes into the development fund.

What were the fees in 2011 with the higher levy? Pensions haven't gone up for many of us!

£14 per day.

[Big Jon]

Quality costs - anyway compare it to most other full day sports and its a real bargain.

[Freefall]

Remember the need to keep the Professional Officer in fine wines and cigars. Seriously though it was a very modest increase and many costs have gone up. Fortunately over £50,000 has been secured from other sources (to date) which has enabled us to keep fees to the minimum (and much less than many comparable overseas events).

[Oldman]

So each day in 2013 costs £15 compared to £14 in 2011, although the levy per person has dropped from about £3.20 to £1.

2011 was £10.80 + £3.20 levy, whereas 2013 is £14 + £1 levy, so a non-levy increase of £3.20 (or 29%) from 2011 to 2013.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[andypat]

Read Simon's post. If he is right then you are wrong

[Oldman]

Is Simon smf? If so, smf is wrong, because I'm sure the 6 day pays the same levy as any other levied event. 50% of the levy is kept by SOA and 50% passed to BOF (or it may be that 100% is passed to BOF and 50% returned - I don't know).

[smf]

So each day in 2013 costs £15 compared to £14 in 2011, although the levy per person has dropped from about £3.20 to £1.

2011 was £10.80 + £3.20 levy, whereas 2013 is £14 + £1 levy, so a non-levy increase of £3.20 (or 29%) from 2011 to 2013.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Almost correct, but the levy was £3.15 in 2011.

Read Simon's post. If he is right then you are wrong

No, we are both correct. I was trying to simplify things by saying the levy was 50% of the normal levy.

Is Simon smf? If so, smf is wrong, because I'm sure the 6 day pays the same levy as any other levied event. 50% of the levy is kept by SOA and 50% passed to BOF (or it may be that 100% is passed to BOF and 50% returned - I don't know).

The levy is not kept by or returned to the SOA as the event is run by the Scottish Six Day Company. A levy of 50% of the normal levy will be budgeted for when the event fees were set.

[nooomember]

to quote Big Jon
Quality costs - anyway compare it to most other full day sports and its a real bargain.
But competing at an orienteering event isnt a Full Day sport - for many its 30-60 minutes run, and at least £15 (£90 for the week) IS WAY too expensive, on top of travelling costs and accommodation.

[smf]

to quote Big Jon
Quality costs - anyway compare it to most other full day sports and its a real bargain.
But competing at an orienteering event isnt a Full Day sport - for many its 30-60 minutes run, and at least £15 (£90 for the week) IS WAY too expensive, on top of travelling costs and accommodation.

Which results have you been looking at? More than half of seniors took more than 60 minutes in 2011. If you think its too expensive don't go!

[awk]

to quote Big Jon
Quality costs - anyway compare it to most other full day sports and its a real bargain.
But competing at an orienteering event isnt a Full Day sport - for many its 30-60 minutes run, and at least £15 (£90 for the week) IS WAY too expensive, on top of travelling costs and accommodation.

Whilst the running time takes up that sort of time (and if you want more, you can always run a longer course), the event itself always seems to take up more time - most of the day in fact - and it provides an excellent centre piece for what is usually a great holiday. No, the entries are not cheap (although some would argue otherwise), but we do regard the week as good value and definitely worth those fees. And if we didn't, we wouldn't go (as we've decided not to do some other races) - you don't have to either.

[mikey]

to quote Big Jon
Quality costs - anyway compare it to most other full day sports and its a real bargain.
But competing at an orienteering event isnt a Full Day sport - for many its 30-60 minutes run, and at least £15 (£90 for the week) IS WAY too expensive, on top of travelling costs and accommodation.

Okay. so explain how you would do it significantly cheaper and without cutting quality.

Of course, maybe you would be better sticking to the White Rose weekend - you always seem to enjoy that and it's much cheaper.

[Oldman]

So, taking Simon's correction re 6-day company,

in 2011, the £14 daily cost broke down as follows:
£3.15 for levy (the levy was on a sliding scale so I used an estimate of £3.20), with £1.57 going to BOF and £1.57 going to the 6-day company;
£10.85 covering costs, with any surplus going to the 6-day company

whereas in 2014, the £15 daily cost breaks down as follows:
£1 for levy with £0.50 going to BOF and £0.50 going to the 6 day company;
£14 covering costs, with any surplus going to the 6-day company.

Unless costs have increased by £3.15 (£14-10.85), the 6-day company is taking more income per entry to make up for their lower share of the levy.

I am not arguing about whether the event is of high quality - rather I am pointing out that for an individual, the cost has increased by £1 or about 7% (£14-->15) despite the levy element dropping by £2.15. Or put another way, I am contributing about £1.07 (£1.57-0.50) less in levy to BOF and £1.07 less in levy to 6-day Co., but am now contributing £3.15 more to 6-day Co.

So, what appears on the surface as a small increase in cost (7%) is actually masking a different flow of monies.

Again, I'm a novice at this, so please put me right if what I've said is incorrect.