JWOC selection
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rob f - yellow
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I feel very strongly that teams should be picked on the selection races and the selection races only! If you can't come up with the goodson the day you don't deserve to go. I have seen 'all known form' used far too many times in the past to let selectors pick the people they want to take, even if they are under performing and it absolutely stinks! Pick the first past the post!
If Oleg is ill and knew he was ill he could have asked for a chance to prove fitness at a later date perhaps - JWOC is after all 2 months away.
If Oleg is ill and knew he was ill he could have asked for a chance to prove fitness at a later date perhaps - JWOC is after all 2 months away.
- housewife
Agree with Housewife. What's the point of having selection races then picking who you like? Either pick who you like and don't have selection races or stick with the results of the race.
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FatBoy - addict
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i too understand what you are saying, but once again stress that we are not from a scandinavian country and do not have the depth that they have. so if jamie [nope]ed the trials are you saying he should not get in??
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housewife wrote:I feel very strongly that teams should be picked on the selection races and the selection races only! Pick the first past the post!
Almost totally agree. But occasionally someone is really good enough to go on "All known form" even if they mess up at selection. In such cases, they should be selected BEFORE the selection races. It (might) even be reasonable to say that previous form could be folded into the selection as a time bonus known before the race starts, e.g. if someone beat you by 5 mins at JK and BOC you'd need to beat them by more than a couple of seconds at selection.
In either case, I think the selection meeting should be before the selection race, so that everyone knows what is required of them to make the team and the selectors dont have to face accusations of favouritism.
Graeme
Not commenting on this specific case.
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graeme - god
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I understand your point but flip it round. You train like a monkey all winter go to the trials, finish close enough to the top to get in the squad and then told you're not going just cos Jamie noped it up. Why bother going to the trials if you're Jamie then cos you're gonna get picked either way?
I perhaps agree we haven't got the same depth as scandis but assuming that's true for a second why do we have selection races then?
It's a bit sitting on the fence having this selection races plus all known form. People like to know where they stand and they don't under this system.
I perhaps agree we haven't got the same depth as scandis but assuming that's true for a second why do we have selection races then?
It's a bit sitting on the fence having this selection races plus all known form. People like to know where they stand and they don't under this system.
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FatBoy - addict
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FatBoy wrote:I perhaps agree we haven't got the same depth as scandis but assuming that's true for a second why do we have selection races then?
It's a bit sitting on the fence having this selection races plus all known form. People like to know where they stand and they don't under this system.
If you win a selection race, you should be selected, no doubt. But if there are say four places available in the team, I don't see anything wrong with automatically selecting the top three and leaving the fourth spot open - as long as this is made clear to everyone in advance. I don't see the problem, as you go into the selection race knowing that you need a top three finish.
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FatBoy wrote:I understand your point but flip it round. You train like a monkey all winter go to the trials, finish close enough to the top to get in the squad
and then told you're not going just cos Jamie noped it up. Why bother going to the trials if you're Jamie then cos you're gonna get picked either way?
First point - you should know before you start that "close enough to the top" means "in the top three, excluding Jamie", or even "in the top two, excluding Jamie and Jon, or third if you beat Jon by more than three minutes".
Second point is much harder, but there should be some way of ensuring that those whose selection will benefit the sport as a whole (i.e. potential medallists) get selected anyway, while those whose selection benefits themselves (i.e. they get a nice trip and some experience and finish mid pack, just as others who weren't picked would have) get selected in a rigorously fair way.
"All known form" is subjective and therefore unfair. A rigorously fair system (first past the post) may not pick the strongest team. Selectors have to balance these conflicting facts.
We should be able to accept "unfairness" if it gives the results we care about. Quite possibly, nobody cares about JWOC medals enough to implement an unfair selection system.
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graeme - god
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I'd agree with the idea of knowing the form the selection will take before the race. As I said as long as people know where they stand.
The selection has to be two-pronged in my opinion. Firstly it should pick the best team to do well for the country. Secondly it musn't make people trying for selection to be noped off with the whole thing. If somebody has done enough by the rules and not gone maybe they'll just quit the sport. We know getting to that level is not just time-consuming but life-consuming and that sort of stuff is soul destroying. Maybe they could have gone on to be the next Jamie.
The selection has to be two-pronged in my opinion. Firstly it should pick the best team to do well for the country. Secondly it musn't make people trying for selection to be noped off with the whole thing. If somebody has done enough by the rules and not gone maybe they'll just quit the sport. We know getting to that level is not just time-consuming but life-consuming and that sort of stuff is soul destroying. Maybe they could have gone on to be the next Jamie.
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FatBoy - addict
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One popint in favour of selection races is that people make the effort to attend them so that they provide an oppertunity for the best to compete directly against one another especially if they live at opposite ends of the country. This means of direct comparrision is surley important when considering a team for an international competion.
For a training tour there is a differnet case because those with good general form who mess up a selection race may have more potential in the future and a training tour would help them realise this potential.
For a training tour there is a differnet case because those with good general form who mess up a selection race may have more potential in the future and a training tour would help them realise this potential.
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surely then the test races should be on top class areas, and not bags of **** like saturday!!
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