The latest scores are available and those who have qualified are listed in bold. In 2 classes 16 have qualified:
http://www.pgopage.btinternet.co.uk/id18.htm
The closing date for entries to the FCC Final is Sunday April 27th and I hear from the entry secretary that entries so far in each class for the top 15 (or 16) are:-
W18 11
W20 10
M18 15
M20 8
FCC Final 2008
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Re: FCC Final 2008
16 people missing!!
Whats going on juniors? why does everyone who has qualified not want to run in the final!?
This is meant to be the premier weekend for junior orienteering.....and its not going to be that without everyone there!
i think this just proves that there really needs to be some thought into the structure of the Future Champions Cup, because in my opinion it's not really working! and the entries prove i'm right.
I don't know what can really be done to change it for the better but firstly if the FCC is to work the final needs to be 'bigged up' more, as a finale it needs to be special.
suggestions...?
Whats going on juniors? why does everyone who has qualified not want to run in the final!?
This is meant to be the premier weekend for junior orienteering.....and its not going to be that without everyone there!
i think this just proves that there really needs to be some thought into the structure of the Future Champions Cup, because in my opinion it's not really working! and the entries prove i'm right.
I don't know what can really be done to change it for the better but firstly if the FCC is to work the final needs to be 'bigged up' more, as a finale it needs to be special.
suggestions...?
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Re: FCC Final 2008
I was only just told by my Mum on the phone that I'd made the FCC final, very surprising as I didn't set out to reach the final having only run the JK and British Sprints. I would have loved to entered but with three exams the following week it would be a little silly...
In response to Dougs post... I believe the shortfall in entries might be due to the fact that FCC final clashes with a lot of uni exams. It is also unfortunate that if it is any later and it will undoubtedly clash with the Harvesters/Tamar Triple... and then GCSE's and A-Levels.
I completely agree that something needs to be done.
In response to Dougs post... I believe the shortfall in entries might be due to the fact that FCC final clashes with a lot of uni exams. It is also unfortunate that if it is any later and it will undoubtedly clash with the Harvesters/Tamar Triple... and then GCSE's and A-Levels.
I completely agree that something needs to be done.
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Re: FCC Final 2008
the turn out is astonishingly low - particularly in M20 - i wonder if there is an element of disillusionment about the amount of pre-selection which seems to happen for the big junior events. the selections don't always line up with the FCC final results .
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The criteria for JWOC selection has always been clearly stated - some places on the basis of the FCC Final and others on the selectors discretion so as to allow for the odd illness/injury/uni exam absentee. The last place or couple of places in a team are always the most difficult to pick - anyone who has ever done any selections knows that.
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I disagree Mrs H, the selection criteria is made pretty clear, Top 2 finishers at the the FCC final will achieve automatic selection, the other four places are on all known form.
The selectors will pick the right team.
I don't think the point of the FCC final should be about selection for JWOC etc, it should be more about the Future Champions Cup. Yes it should be a race used for selection, but people shouldn't be avoiding it because they feel they aren't going to get selected.
The selectors will pick the right team.
I don't think the point of the FCC final should be about selection for JWOC etc, it should be more about the Future Champions Cup. Yes it should be a race used for selection, but people shouldn't be avoiding it because they feel they aren't going to get selected.
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Well it was just a thought - perhaps if more places were riding on it more people would make it a priority - and then conversely if it isn't (or shouldn't be) about selection then perhaps it could be moved to another time when so many are not mired in very crucial exams.
just trying to think of ways of making it more popular as the FCC finals I've been at have been great events.
just trying to think of ways of making it more popular as the FCC finals I've been at have been great events.
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id say 15 places in each age group is quite a lot to be honest!!!
Having spoken to a few people my age the response mostly seems to be "well its a long way for yet another race....and its not like im going to get/want to get to jwoc..."
when i went to my first Final last year i have to admit i was pretty disappionted. Everyone had bigged it up and then it just turned out to be like a SOL...but with a lot more weighing on your result.....and english and welsh people being there.
but like Mrs H, those are just my thoughts
Having spoken to a few people my age the response mostly seems to be "well its a long way for yet another race....and its not like im going to get/want to get to jwoc..."
when i went to my first Final last year i have to admit i was pretty disappionted. Everyone had bigged it up and then it just turned out to be like a SOL...but with a lot more weighing on your result.....and english and welsh people being there.
but like Mrs H, those are just my thoughts
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Re: FCC Final 2008
Agree with what Haze is saying in some respects - far too often the FCC final seems not to be the showcase it could and should be. Last year there was a separate finish and a spectator control, but as there wasn't really an assembly area based around this not much interest seemed to be taken.
The best one that I can remember recently was at the World Cup races - I vaguely recall the FCC competitors starting between the World Cup runners and everyone else, there was commentary, spectator controls, radio controls and a decent assembly area set-up - something similar to what competitors will experience at the highest level. The FCC Final shouldn't just be a bolt-on to any old event, it should be a showcase of that event if it is going to maintain/increase the status such an event should have in the junior race calendar.
The best one that I can remember recently was at the World Cup races - I vaguely recall the FCC competitors starting between the World Cup runners and everyone else, there was commentary, spectator controls, radio controls and a decent assembly area set-up - something similar to what competitors will experience at the highest level. The FCC Final shouldn't just be a bolt-on to any old event, it should be a showcase of that event if it is going to maintain/increase the status such an event should have in the junior race calendar.
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Re: FCC Final 2008
I just wrote a long comment and it's disappeared! Haven't got time to do it again but I did say 50% of 6 is not 2 Doug (JWOC criteria on BOF site). Maybe that's why juniors can't be bothered - the criteria is not always strictly adhered to.
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Re: FCC Final 2008
The criteria has changed this year to 50% of the team - in previous years it has been top 2 for certain or 2 at selectors discretion etc but it has been clearly stated and stuck to by the junior selectors - I know because I was one for a few years and the selectors spend a long time looking at the results/reports and making sure that it's fair and I really object to people making comments like this. No evidence - just a feeling - gossip or whatever.
Other people are right - the FCC final works best when there's a good 'presentation' of the race: quality planning, commentary, the results and prize giving - same for any major event in the calendar - major events need 'big event' feel to them.
Other people are right - the FCC final works best when there's a good 'presentation' of the race: quality planning, commentary, the results and prize giving - same for any major event in the calendar - major events need 'big event' feel to them.
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It's sad when youngsters have to pull out of this and events like Euromeet due to Uni exams and I'm sure they are certainly disappointed, it also happens with junior inter-regionals and A levels. I don't think there is an answer as Exams are important for the careers of these youngsters and these events are when they are due to the climax of the season being in the late spring early summer. As has already been said if the event is to be big and attract the top guys then it has to be at a time when it doesn't clash with exams. But if you held it in October say then many would say they were not at their racing peak, so when can it be held. Could it be part of the JK the big event of the year and have other qualification races? If we are honest this is the only event that attracts virtually all and has the charisma people are asking for.
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Re: FCC Final 2008
The FCC final a few years ago at the World Cup was such a good atmosphere and spectators actually cared about what we were doing and the results etc...i think one reason is that not many people (excluding juniors and their families/coaches) actually know what the FCC is and the significance of it...
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Re: FCC Final 2008
the answer of making the FCC a spectacle relies on it being at an event likely to attract over 200 people additionally to the competitors, with a good 100 or so of those showing some interest. It also needs good planning, spectator controls and commentary. All of these were done last year, with a possible exception of the 100 or so people. So whats the answer? There are many options (ill list a few i thought of below)
a) Moving the season forward. This would mean that events would start in february (after A levels and uni exams) and this would mean the final could be earlier (mid april) combined with another large event.
b) putting the final at the British or JK. This could fail logistically as to have a 'select' group of 15 or so from each age group at the JK removes any chance of international competitors competing against the best of Britain, or at both events those outside the select group competing in a highly competitive final.
c)Making sure the final is central, so as many people can get to it as possible, or putting it on a bank holiday weekend/easter holiday weekend. This is why the 2004/2005 final were successful (but doesnt explain the lack of entries this year)
d)Making the terrain top quality. This is hard to do every year, without lakes/scotland/wales being used too frequently, as for a southerner, it is often difficult to travel to scotland year after year. However, i believe it should have some similarity to the terrain used in JWOC, e.g. 2008 is in sweden, so technical, fairly steepish terrain, not really cropton (although it is physical from memory).
e) changing the format, removing the final and just going on the 7 selection races.
a) Moving the season forward. This would mean that events would start in february (after A levels and uni exams) and this would mean the final could be earlier (mid april) combined with another large event.
b) putting the final at the British or JK. This could fail logistically as to have a 'select' group of 15 or so from each age group at the JK removes any chance of international competitors competing against the best of Britain, or at both events those outside the select group competing in a highly competitive final.
c)Making sure the final is central, so as many people can get to it as possible, or putting it on a bank holiday weekend/easter holiday weekend. This is why the 2004/2005 final were successful (but doesnt explain the lack of entries this year)
d)Making the terrain top quality. This is hard to do every year, without lakes/scotland/wales being used too frequently, as for a southerner, it is often difficult to travel to scotland year after year. However, i believe it should have some similarity to the terrain used in JWOC, e.g. 2008 is in sweden, so technical, fairly steepish terrain, not really cropton (although it is physical from memory).
e) changing the format, removing the final and just going on the 7 selection races.
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Re: FCC Final 2008
some fascinating results from the middle - well done to Candyman for getting the results on the bof website so quick
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